[Albion] Club's Taken It's Eye Off The Ball Shirley?

[GT49er]

Minteh and others who just happen to be U21's were not development signings, hence the cost and were either integrated straight into the first team or sent back out on loan (normally to the selling club)

Players for the U21's who are integrated straight into the U21's are generally a lot younger and cheaper - the two models coexist....

There aren't two separate models. They're all U21 players - we are selling ours instead of promoting them and buying U21s from elsewhere to promote them instead. Yes, of course we think the ones we're buying in are better than the ones we're moving out, and so they should be - and we hope they turn out to be.
But we're still paying £6M for U21s and loaning them out!

 

[darkwolf666]

So what do you do with young talent when your first team squad has so much depth (albeit with most injured or coming back from injury) and it gets to the point that you have so many players you have to do what's best for the player and in these instances they want regular first team football to further THEIR careers. If we block that by keeping them in the U21s, no young talent is going to want to come here.

How you are pinning this on FH is mind blowing - most were here before he arrived and it's not solely his decision. Still to keep NSC content we should lobby the EPL to start 14 players every game to keep all the players and NSC happy.....

And we still wouldn't have a left back or goalscorer!

 

[timbha]

I'm sure I'll get shot down by all the happy clappers for suggesting this, but I wonder if Bloom is looking to sell sometime soon and before doing so is making a bit of money for himself by selling the family silver? I can't really think of any other sensible reasons for some of the crackpot decisions being made by the club at the moment.

I think it’s more a case of letting young players go when the club feels they won’t reach the levels required for the first team, and when the transfer window is open.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I'm sure I'll get shot down by all the happy clappers for suggesting this, but I wonder if Bloom is looking to sell sometime soon and before doing so is making a bit of money for himself by selling the family silver? I can't really think of any other sensible reasons for some of the crackpot decisions being made by the club at the moment.

Even somebody with your somewhat limited cerebral limits must understand that if you want to make money, buying a football club is the worst thing you could do

Famously "How do you make a small fortune ? Buy a football club with a large fortune"

Please tell me the vast majority of Sailors understand what's happening and you are a one off and not representative in any way, of your industry. I need reassurance that my experience is the norm and your level of idiocy is really exceptional across mankind

 

[phoenix]

No, I rarely post on here

I'm sure I'll get shot down by all the happy clappers for suggesting this, but I wonder if Bloom is looking to sell sometime soon and before doing so is making a bit of money for himself by selling the family silver? I can't really think of any other sensible reasons for some of the crackpot decisions being made by the club at the moment.

Are you getting all this glooom and doom out the way before leaving Northstandchat

 

[WATFORD zero]

Are you getting all this glooom and doom out the way before leaving Northstandchat

No, but on the bright side, when we're doing well there'll be no sign of him again just like the last 20 years

 

[Balders]

There aren't two separate models. They're all U21 players - we are selling ours instead of promoting them and buying U21s from elsewhere to promote them instead. Yes, of course we think the ones we're buying in are better than the ones we're moving out, and so they should be - and we hope they turn out to be.
But we're still paying £6M for U21s and loaning them out!

You are using age to define a model - there are two different models for recruitment:

Young players to integrate with the U18s and under 21s to continue their development. As they progress many go out on loan to develop further.

Young players who are deemed good enough to integrate straight into the first team or players deemed too good for the U21s, but not quite ready for the first team, so they continue their development out on loan.

That's why loans for the first category are loaned out to L3 clubs and Scottish sides which have been popular. The better ones in the second model are usually loaned out to Championship teams or better teams in Europe.

 

[WATFORD zero]

The simple fact is that you have to kiss a lot of frogs to get a prince.

Year upon year upon year for the last decade, we're buying more, bigger, faster, athletic and better looking frogs

 

[portlock seagull]

It’s a tiny percentage of young players that make Pro’s and even less to the PL. Then there’s consistency over maybe 7-8 seasons. That percentage must be really tiny.

It’s no surprise majority of our youngsters eventually go out the door. I wish them all the best, because they’ve all made it despite now plying their trade elsewhere.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I'm sure I'll get shot down by all the happy clappers for suggesting this, but I wonder if Bloom is looking to sell sometime soon and before doing so is making a bit of money for himself by selling the family silver? I can't really think of any other sensible reasons for some of the crackpot decisions being made by the club at the moment.

Evening Paul.

If you’re going to set up a parody account to show the club’s detractors are as mental as a bin full of bees can you not make it so obvious?

Ta.

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

You are soooo missing Potter now aren't you? Go on, admit it.

I think I’d prefer Potter to Hurzeler right now, at least his team had an identity even if it didn’t always provide the desired outcome.

 

[brighton_tom]

 

[Guinness Boy]

I think I’d prefer Potter to Hurzeler right now, at least his team had an identity even if it didn’t always provide the desired outcome.

Yes, this.

The most exciting thing Potter ever did was to grow a beard but at least he didn’t lose 7-0.

 

[TugWilson]

Oh good, another thread saying the same thing

But you wouldn`t miss it for the world ............right ?

 

[Robdinho]

I would say. We had promising youth capable of delivering & growing into decent 1st team players. Sarmiento (maybe), goodnight, encisco, ferguson, adingra all could have played starring roles this season.

Instead of keeping our policy of buying youth loaning out for experience & then blooding them in the 1st team, we pulled the rug out from under them by going out on a £200m summer spending spree on players (unproven in the premier league) who instantly jumped the pecking order & have kept these talents out & who have only delivered what I expect the aforementioned players would have done (or maybe these new players have done less).

I feel we lost/ didnt stick with the strategy that had been successful & had made as a model example of how to do good business.

Ayari & Baleba are exceptions to this - but overall, the others have been fairly shafted by the club

The thing is though, with the Profit & Sustainability Rules, we only had a limited amount of time to spend the Caicedo money before it was effectively lost into Tony's bank account.

So we could have 'stuck to the model' at which point the Caicedo millions would have become the new FA cup money, we could have splashed it on some household names, and destroyed the wage structure, or we could do what we did, which was to take a punt on a load of prospects who were hopefully a little more ready to hit the ground running. It obviously hasn't quite worked out (yet), but I don't blame them for trying.

 

[Silverhatch]

Hiring as manager some random third-choice guy with one good season under his belt and shipping out much of our prime young flair talent for no good reason at all. What gives?

Is it Hurzeler doing the shipping?