Climategate

[wellquickwoody]

Pot - Kettle - Black?

Is it not the disciples of the global warming faith who doctored the data and hid the emails?

'Ed Miliband gave his most damning assessment of the sceptics yet, describing them as "dangerous and deceitful".

He said: "The approach of the climate saboteurs is to misuse data and mislead people. The sceptics are playing politics with science in a dangerous and deceitful manner'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/04/flat-earth-climate-change-copenhagen

 

[Barrel of Fun]

BBC News - Colleague defends 'ClimateGate' professor

I am not sure why people are so will to disbelieve that we are having a massive effecton climate change. It is not going to hurt us if we 'go green'.

 

[wellquickwoody]

BBC News - Colleague defends 'ClimateGate' professor

I am not sure why people are so will to disbelieve that we are having a massive effecton climate change. It is not going to hurt us if we 'go green'.

Bloody well is. Someone from the 'green lobby' was this week saying that the carbon offsetting programme surrounding air travel was the first method of persuasion. Now we should be looking to massively increase direct taxes on flying to reduce the number of people taking foreign holidays.

Sorry but to that person I say, 'F**k right off!

 

[withdeanwombat]

I am old now and I believe those scientists who say we are "changing" the climate rather than it being a "cyclical" change.

I don't care.I prefer it warm,and pretty soon I won't have to worry !

 

[scotjem]

From this week's New Scientist..."The problem is that some sets of tree-ring data suggest temperatures start falling towards the end of the 20th century, which direct temperature measurements show was not the case. So the researchers instead replaced the reconstructed temperature data for this period with the directly measured temperature data."

So is that doctoring data ? And has anyone any suggestions why the tree-ring data is wrong ?

 

[Hungry Joe]

I am old now and I believe those scientists who say we are "changing" the climate rather than it being a "cyclical" change.

I don't care.I prefer it warm,and pretty soon I won't have to worry !

It's a combination of both. Climate changes are constantly cyclical but our effect on those cycles is undeniable when you look at the evidence objectively. IMO anyone who is in denial about climate change has their head in a huge bucket of sand.

Also global warming could lead to another ice-age if the gulf stream is diverted so don't bank on those med summers yet.

 

[wellquickwoody]

It's a combination of both. Climate changes are constantly cyclical but our effect on those cycles is undeniable when you look at the evidence objectively. IMO anyone who is in denial about climate change has their head in a huge bucket of sand.

Also global warming could lead to another ice-age if the gulf stream is diverted so don't bank on those med summers yet.

Is it possible that denying climate change will become non-pc?

People might run the risk of becoming racist, sexist, ageist and climatist. Will all debate on the subject be stifled like it has on religion, immigration and sexual orientation?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

What is this PC bobbins with climate change? How is going green or changing the way we run this planet politically correct?

 

[Husty]

Is it possible that denying climate change will become non-pc?

People might run the risk of becoming racist, sexist, ageist and climatist. Will all debate on the subject be stifled like it has on religion, immigration and sexual orientation?

What debate is there? Anyone who bothers to look at the evidence in some detail and hasnt got an agenda (e.g. a car company) can tell you straight off that Global Warming is happening and is near certainly at least partly a result of human actions. Of course if you want to stick your head in the sand and ignore it all because you would rather have your weeks holiday in the carribean, feel free, but dont then try to justify your immoral actions by trying to make others believe climate change doesnt exist.

 

[wellquickwoody]

What debate is there? Anyone who bothers to look at the evidence in some detail and hasnt got an agenda (e.g. a car company) can tell you straight off that Global Warming is happening and is near certainly at least partly a result of human actions. Of course if you want to stick your head in the sand and ignore it all because you would rather have your weeks holiday in the carribean, feel free, but dont then try to justify your immoral actions by trying to make others believe climate change doesnt exist.

Whoah! Slow down!

My original point was more about the double standards employed by politicians against those questioning climate change.

My second point was if questioning climate change would become socially unnacceptable, which by your comments is obviously starting to happen.

PS My immoral actions? Get real!

 

[coventrygull]

What is this PC bobbins with climate change? How is going green or changing the way we run this planet politically correct?

Because some see that the issues around climate change are political and not scientific. Its not green its red.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Because some see that the issues around climate change are political and not scientific. Its not green its red.

What have politicians got to gain from this?

Red? I see your leader is quoted saying that climate change is essentially a hoax, but on the official bnp website it states this...

"The British National Party is this nation’s only true Green party which has policies that will actually save the environment."

 

[coventrygull]

What have politicians got to gain from this?

Red? I see your leader is quoted saying that climate change is essentially a hoax, but on the official bnp website it states this...

"The British National Party is this nation’s only true Green party which has policies that will actually save the environment."

Thats because you can be "green" without believing in man made climate change.

Political because it is about the deindustrialisation of western nations. Didn't you listen to Nicks speech.

To be honest I am not sure either way.

 

[wellquickwoody]

What have politicians got to gain from this?

1. Making tax rises far easier to justify, cos after tha next election our taxes will rise massiveley.

2. Business is investing billions in 'green' initiatives. They would not be doing this if there was no money to be made from it. I would hope we all understand how influential this can be on politicians - places on the board, donations to political parties, employment after leaving pilitics etc..

 

[beorhthelm]

I am not sure why people are so will to disbelieve that we are having a massive effecton climate change. It is not going to hurt us if we 'go green'.

no, going green isnt going to hurt. we need to change our ways just to be able to sustain a decent lifestyle without living in smog and pollution. however there are porblems when this is hijacked to increase tax or to further business aims. did you hear this week there is a consultation paper out where the power companies would control your power usage, with all new appliances requiing a compatible remote power on/off function? bit far fetched, but thats what people in power are suggesting.

Climate changes are constantly cyclical but our effect on those cycles is undeniable when you look at the evidence objectively. IMO anyone who is in denial about climate change has their head in a huge bucket of sand.

the problem is that the obectivity has been lost by those we trust to be the most subjective, the scientists. we now know that they have been less than completely honest in one of the most respected research centres, so what does that mean for the other scientist on the case? there not enough questioning and challenging of the "official" position. there is far too little concreate data, too much reliance on computer models that are calibrated on that small and dataset. too many variables exist in the system, yet the conclusions are absolute and unchallenged. thats not objective science. then they ridicule any one who does ask for more information, alternative hypothesis, questions the leaders. thats becoming faith based. now the politians wade in... be very suspicious.

Anyone who bothers to look at the evidence in some detail and hasnt got an agenda (e.g. a car company) can tell you straight off that Global Warming is happening and is near certainly at least partly a result of human actions. ... but dont then try to justify your immoral actions by trying to make others believe climate change doesnt exist.

you have to bear in mind that the climatologists and envirnomentalist have an agenda too, lots of research grants going on how bad things will be, nice big stick to beat big industry with. as for the immoral actions, consider very carefully where we are going, many in the third world are suspicious this all about restricting their development.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It never ceases to amaze me how some people will overcome the most basic human trait of protecting your offspring when there is the slightest sniff of money or power.

John Selwyn Gummer feeding his four year old burgers at the height of the BSE crisis ?

How long did the Tobacco companies deny a cancer link ?

 

[coventrygull]

It never ceases to amaze me how some people will overcome the most basic human trait of protecting your offspring when there is the slightest sniff of money or power.

John Selwyn Gummer feeding his four year old burgers at the height of the BSE crisis ?

To be fair. What happened to BSE? bird Flu oh and swine flu . Panic don't panic

 

[WATFORD zero]

To be fair. What happened to BSE? bird Flu oh and swine flu . Panic don't panic

I agree with you that flu is flu is flu and always has a level of fatality, but preventing BSE needed significant steps to be taken in meat production and preparation. (Steps that hadn't been taken when the politician in question decided to put his four year old into the front line )

 

[cannedheat]

I have often wondered if the green zealots drive a car with a combustion engine or use a taxi or bus that spews out diesel fumes, and do you fly when you travel abroad, if you do its double standards from you.

 

[alan partridge]

Is it possible that denying climate change will become non-pc?

People might run the risk of becoming racist, sexist, ageist and climatist. Will all debate on the subject be stifled like it has on religion, immigration and sexual orientation?

Jesus f***ing christ. I only had to look at the thread title and the author to know that this kind of shit would pop up pretty soon.

Oh and you forgot to mention Cancer Awareness in your PC Pot Pourri.