[News] China protests over Zero-Covid policy

[sparkie]

 

[The Clamp]

Well, that is a Western view you can have of course.

I'm not a fan of any of them but if they're really worse, more disliked or more incompetent than our equivalents... dubious.

Some kind of revolution in China, which is still probably far off, would not necessarily make the world a better place... it might make it a different place, however. Today we are pretty reliant on Chinese stability to have stability in our own societes.

They are unequivocally worse than our government. Do some proper research. Facts, dear boy, facts.

Most of us on here, me included try and view things from other people’s perspective. And we come to our own conclusions.
Our insight likely comes from having travelled to other countries and talked to the people etc.
You, however couldn’t even get yourself together enough to get to Portslade.


I don’t believe for a second that you are a Brighton supporter. I think you were googling conspiracy theories and one of our threads came up so you decided to stick around and talk shite.

So instead of sitting at your grubby little keyboard, telling us all we are ignorant and brain washed , why don’t you put down the joint, clear a path through the pizza boxes, and go see the world. You pompous, Nathan Barley, arse-wit.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Awaiting the outcry from the world over this after the World Cup protests etc, it wont come of course.

Ozil was vilified by Arsenal and German FA for talking about the Uighur Muslims

 

[LamieRobertson]

They’ll be asking next for a thankyou letter for saving him from covid

 

[A1X]

Further to the above statement

 

[The Clamp]

Only a few weeks ago the Chinese were dragging a protester into their embassy in London to beat him up. That’s taking the piss.

 

[The Clamp]

Don’t agree with the accepted mainstream religious belief system in China? You’ll be thrown into a “re-education” camp, raped, tortured, beaten and made to convert.

Don’t agree with the mainstream accepted religious belief system in the U.K.?
You’ll have prayer rooms at your workplace, places to worship, your voice heard on the media and government grants for religious based opportunity schemes. As it should be.

Chinese government no worse than the U.K. government? Do me a favour.

 

[Swansman]

They are unequivocally worse than our government. Do some proper research. Facts, dear boy, facts.

Most of us on here, me included try and view things from other people’s perspective. And we come to our own conclusions.
Our insight likely comes from having travelled to other countries and talked to the people etc.
You, however couldn’t even get yourself together enough to get to Portslade.


I don’t believe for a second that you are a Brighton supporter. I think you were googling conspiracy theories and one of our threads came up so you decided to stick around and talk shite.

So instead of sitting at your grubby little keyboard, telling us all we are ignorant and brain washed , why don’t you put down the joint, clear a path through the pizza boxes, and go see the world. You pompous, Nathan Barley, arse-wit.

All facts points towards China being a substaintially better governed country than England. If you think your government has increased the standards of living more than China has in the last 30 years, think again. If you think you've had more growth than China, think again. If you think you've increased the income of the average more than China, think again. If you think you've developed your technology, industry and infrastructure more than China, think again. If you think you've improved your influence and importance on a global scale more than China, think again.

I've also been to places. Whether I've been to Portslade or not doesn't really matter, its only the centre of the world if you're you.

 

[nicko31]

Further to the above statement

Calling Kate Adie...

Going to be increasingly difficult for the free world to cover what is going on. Of course I lot of Chinese access this info over VPN and Proxy servers

 

[The Clamp]

All facts points towards China being a substaintially better governed country than England. If you think your government has increased the standards of living more than China has in the last 30 years, think again. If you think you've had more growth than China, think again. If you think you've increased the income of the average more than China, think again. If you think you've developed your technology, industry and infrastructure more than China, think again. If you think you've improved your influence and importance on a global scale more than China, think again.

I've also been to places. Whether I've been to Portslade or not doesn't really matter, its only the centre of the world if you're you.

I judge governments on a wide range of criteria. You should look into the cost of that growth. Human and otherwise.

If you have been to places, you didn’t learn much. I imagine you very much take your silly opinions with you and try and teach the natives what you have “researched”. Sort of like a daft missionary.
You come across as a naive, immature, easily influenced, easily lead, ill informed twerp.

Grow up. Learn some stuff. Get out of your bedroom.

 

[Wardy's twin]

Old discussions now but masks or no masks, outcome was very similar. There's very little indicating that wearing or not wearing a mask had any major impact.

it is and i am not aware of any studies that tested the theory BUT a simple understanding of the process would indicate it MUST reduce the flow of contaminated air. What didn't help was a) people not wearing mask who could b) people not wearing masks properly c) people thinking masks gave them some form of immunity so dropped off other precautions.

 

[nicko31]

All facts points towards China being a substaintially better governed country than England. If you think your government has increased the standards of living more than China has in the last 30 years, think again. If you think you've had more growth than China, think again. If you think you've increased the income of the average more than China, think again. If you think you've developed your technology, industry and infrastructure more than China, think again. If you think you've improved your influence and importance on a global scale more than China, think again.

I've also been to places. Whether I've been to Portslade or not doesn't really matter, its only the centre of the world if you're you.

We're governed by an elected government, they are not,

If we don't like them we get rid, in China people like you have no voice

 

[The Clamp]

We're governed by an elected government, they are not,

If we don't like them we get rid, in China people like you have no voice

Now you’ve got me thinking.

 

[Swansman]

I judge governments on a wide range of criteria. You should look into the cost of that growth. Human and otherwise.

If you have been to places, you didn’t learn much. I imagine you very much take your silly opinions with you and try and teach the natives what you have “researched”. Sort of like a daft missions.

You come across as a naive, immature, easily influenced, easily lead, ill informed twerp.

Grow up. Learn some stuff. Get out of your bedroom.

So do I.

To me getting some 500 million out of poverty is worth more than having the free speech to say "we need to reduce poverty" with no one listening or doing anything. In pretty much every Western world, since the latest wave of the richer getting richer started in our neo-liberal new management societies in the 1980s, most people have said "those who earn the least should maybe earn some more and the richest percentage should perhaps pay taxes". Left wing, "centrist", right-wing parties have all shrugged and said no. Is a vote that doesn't matter any better than not having a vote at all? Is a false sense of democracy better than no democracy at all? As I see it - the difference is very small.

You're a 50+ year old who can't stop yourself from personal attacks. Perhaps the "grow up" stuff is something you should try yourself first before suggesting it to others

 

[Swansman]

We're governed by an elected government, they are not,

If we don't like them we get rid, in China people like you have no voice

Yeah I remember you guys electing Rishi and Liz... or not.

But you're right. China and the West have two different systems and their system is working and our isn't, because their system is based on a practical, dirty reality whilst ours are based on illusory, utopian hopes. In China, people know their voices don't count. In the West we pretend that ours do. Going to vote in an election in Europe or US is no more efficient or impactful than going to church to have a prayer, but we'd like to pretend otherwise. In China there is no pretending like that, so they're better adjusted to reality, which also makes them better at accomplishing things ("good" and " bad").

 

[Wardy's twin]

We're governed by an elected government, they are not,

If we don't like them we get rid, in China people like you have no voice

Governed? your having a laugh.

Regards elections they only work when you have an educated electorate and honest politicians who deliver for the whole population not the first past the post majority . We have had series reductions in standard of living for a large minority of the population yet we have maintained a conservative government for 12 years.

It is telling that when Russia was on the cusp of democracy , the free market took over and the wealth was syphoned off leaving people poorer and the middle aged and older generations voted to return to control of the communist party - stability but at the cost of freedom.

If I were a Chinese peasant who has moved from brink of starvation to a sustainable life style I am pretty sure I know who I would vote for.

 

[chickens]

So do I.

To me getting some 500 million out of poverty is worth more than having the free speech to say "we need to reduce poverty" with no one listening or doing anything. In pretty much every Western world, since the latest wave of the richer getting richer started in our neo-liberal new management societies in the 1980s, most people have said "those who earn the least should maybe earn some more and the richest percentage should perhaps pay taxes". Left wing, "centrist", right-wing parties have all shrugged and said no. Is a vote that doesn't matter any better than not having a vote at all? Is a false sense of democracy better than no democracy at all? As I see it - the difference is very small.

You're a 50+ year old who can't stop yourself from personal attacks. Perhaps the "grow up" stuff is something you should try yourself first before suggesting it to others

Unpalatable, and you’re quite deliberately ignoring all human rights considerations, but the statistical evidence backs you up. Which frankly, is dreadful.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Unpalatable, and you’re quite deliberately ignoring all human rights considerations, but the statistical evidence backs you up. Which frankly, is dreadful.

You can’t blame him Swedes don’t get enough sun this time of year

 

[nicko31]

Yeah I remember you guys electing Rishi and Liz... or not.

But you're right. China and the West have two different systems and their system is working and our isn't, because their system is based on a practical, dirty reality whilst ours are based on illusory, utopian hopes. In China, people know their voices don't count. In the West we pretend that ours do. Going to vote in an election in Europe or US is no more efficient or impactful than going to church to have a prayer, but we'd like to pretend otherwise. In China there is no pretending like that, so they're better adjusted to reality, which also makes them better at accomplishing things ("good" and " bad").

Few very democratic systems are perfect, they all have flaws.

China has had huge growth since 1979, some people got very rich but even if you are rich you have no say and no protection if the State comes after you.

As for the masses, when the exponential growth stops, then the shit hits the fan. This is what we are seeing now, there is no Swedish style safety net to help you out, people react.

 

[Swansman]

Unpalatable, and you’re quite deliberately ignoring all human rights considerations, but the statistical evidence backs you up. Which frankly, is dreadful.

As they've said themselves: the western definition of human rights is not something they care about. Their choice. Would I want to live there? No. Has their ways worked out for them and the majority of the Chinese people? No doubt.

We talk a lot about human rights in the west, but once again we have very little interest in whether these "human rights" are applied or not. You talk about human rights. I talk about human rights. Our politicians talk about human rights.

But when it comes to action? Do we choose to build affordable housing for every people in our countries or do we prefer to be all cozy with the property owners and construction companies? The latter. We prefer to let people live on the streets above possible decreasing housing prices, because the billionaires would get all sad and shit if that happened. Do we choose to tax the rich and pay the worst paid people enough to get both heat and food on the table every day? We don't. We choose not to tax the rich. We decide to make people suffer from hunger and cold. Do we choose to invest sufficient money in social services, health care and free education or do we choose to invest "sufficient" money in giving the friends, family and neighbours of our politicians fat government contracts? We certainly do not choose the former.
We're very good at talking. There is nothing in our actions as a society that indicates we give two shits about peoples wellbeing. Its just words.