[Football] Chelsea end of ?

[Neville's Breakfast]

Really wasnt a comment directed at Brighton fans in particular but at society as a whole. I think the message from above is clear: Saudi Arabia can do whatever they like without any repercussions, sanctions or the likes, because they are our allies, while Russia cant do the same thing because they are not our allies. In what other way is it possible to interpret the different way we treat these nations?

Ask the PL and the Government. Football at the top level is a con on every level. What do you think should happen ?

 

[Swansman]

Ask the PL and the Government. Football at the top level is a con on every level. What do you think should happen ?

Preferably throw each and every **** football owner back where they came from. Option two, stand up for the hyper-capitalism and sportswashing thing and accept each and every Jeffrey Dahmer-bloke who wants to buy a club. This middle way of pretending to be moral but only in some directions at some times... it makes me nauseaus.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Preferably throw each and every **** football owner back where they came from. Option two, stand up for the hyper-capitalism and sportswashing thing and accept each and every Jeffrey Dahmer-bloke who wants to buy a club. This middle way of pretending to be moral but only in some directions at some times... it makes me nauseaus.

It’s always going to be subjective though even with your method. Personally I would get rid of football club ownership by individuals. Run them as community assets rather than businesses. Ruthlessly enforce vastly lower spending caps, get rid of ‘executives’ and tell the tv companies to **** off. I accept I won’t be on Barber’s Christmas card list.

 

[Swansman]

It’s always going to be subjective though even with your method. Personally I would get rid of football club ownership by individuals. Run them as community assets rather than businesses. Ruthlessly enforce vastly lower spending caps, get rid of ‘executives’ and tell the tv companies to **** off. I accept I won’t be on Barber’s Christmas card list.

Member owned clubs work quite well here and in Germany but here it has always been the case... doing it retrospectively (the government? buying out current owner or seizing their assets which sounds legally difficult) seems quite complicated. But I agree it is the optimal solution in a lot of different ways. Scenarios like the one with Derby, Bury or (for that matter) Brighton in the past really doesnt happen over here or in Germany.

 

[BadFish]

Honestly, if I was on a wedge and I was asked questions like this about the people who I worked for, I would resign.

Eddie Howe being questioned about the 81 executions
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60734095

He is part of the sports washing and is being used by those doing the executions for positive PR.

He must need a great deal of mental gymnastics to sleep at night in this job.

I think football lost any conscience or sense of reality a fair while ago.

It just doesn't pay to think about these things in any depth.

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[BadFish]

Preferably throw each and every **** football owner back where they came from. Option two, stand up for the hyper-capitalism and sportswashing thing and accept each and every Jeffrey Dahmer-bloke who wants to buy a club. This middle way of pretending to be moral but only in some directions at some times... it makes me nauseaus.

I don't think we are I the middle way. If we were the. The Newcastle thing wouldn't have happened.

That fit and proper test is only to ensure that there is enough money to keep the club running. It doesn't matter how much pain is caused by getting or keeping it.

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[drew]

Member owned clubs work quite well here and in Germany but here it has always been the case... doing it retrospectively (the government? buying out current owner or seizing their assets which sounds legally difficult) seems quite complicated. But I agree it is the optimal solution in a lot of different ways. Scenarios like the one with Derby, Bury or (for that matter) Brighton in the past really doesnt happen over here or in Germany.

Don't believe the myth. In the top 5 leagues in Germany, since 1994/95 season, there have been 109 clubs become insolvent with 32 being liquidated.

https://www.soccernomics-agency.com.../uploads/2019/01/insolvency_Germany_final.pdf

 

[drew]

At the end of the day, it's unfair to expect football to run it's business to a higher moral standard than the government of the day. For those of us old enough to remember the cold war, it is perhaps understandable that in the early days after the fall of soviet empire there was a desire to get Russia on board with the rest of the world and with Gorbachev and Yeltsin, it was probably going in the right direction.

However, we now have a situation where leading members of government been only too willing to pocket roubles from the super rich russians without any fear of the consequences. Johnson awarding knighthoods to Levedev after he silenced misgivings from MI5 and MI6. The cover up over the russia report before the last election which showed that the government had told the security services not to look for russian intervention in our elections, in other words turning a blind eye.

Get the government to sort themselves out and get the finance sector to follow suit.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Anyone watching panorama? Absolute fraud!

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[studio150]

Apparently the "Saudi Media Group" is interested in buying the club.... Saudi Arabia executed 81 people this Saturday for a variety of offenses such as "deviant beliefs".

I dont like what is happening in Ukraine more than anyone else but I find it appalling how a lot of people look in another direction when it comes to allied countries doing tyrannical shit.

UK Government looking the other way, so that they can continue to sell bombs, guns and ammunition to the Saudis.

 

[moggy]

Anyone watching panorama? Absolute fraud!

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Yep, wonder if any Chelsea fans that have been shouting out his name at matches recently have changed their minds

 

[beorhthelm]

Anyone watching panorama? Absolute fraud!

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didnt watch but seen some comments its just regurgitated well known info from his court case and general history. so there were shady practices back in the 90's Russia, thats how they did things. once you've moved past that (the same as many companies even nations formed in western history), you are the legitimate owner and your money is the same as everyone elses. it was someone elses, from nations and companies that buy and sell on the international markets. the nickel in your pocket probably came from a Russian mine.

and again with Saudi, who are we to judge their judical process? we're happy enough to keep polite diplomatic relations, even go to war to protect them from a perceived worse regime (Saddam Hussein for the kids), then say they shouldnt executed some terrorists. something an awful lot of people think we should actually do here. then because of this we say their money is tainted, despite it coming from us, or other countries and companies we trade with. we dont have much right to such moral superiority.

 

[Easy 10]

Yep, wonder if any Chelsea fans that have been shouting out his name at matches recently have changed their minds

You're making the flawed assumption that these drooling monobrowed slack-jawed dilberts actually possess minds.

 

[Washie]

didnt watch but seen some comments its just regurgitated well known info from his court case and general history. so there were shady practices back in the 90's Russia, thats how they did things. once you've moved past that (the same as many companies even nations formed in western history), you are the legitimate owner and your money is the same as everyone elses. it was someone elses, from nations and companies that buy and sell on the international markets. the nickel in your pocket probably came from a Russian mine.

and again with Saudi, who are we to judge their judical process? we're happy enough to keep polite diplomatic relations, even go to war to protect them from a perceived worse regime (Saddam Hussein for the kids), then say they shouldnt executed some terrorists. something an awful lot of people think we should actually do here. then because of this we say their money is tainted, despite it coming from us, or other countries and companies we trade with. we dont have much right to such moral superiority.

Our closest allies the USA still have the death penalty.

 

[drew]

Our closest allies the USA still have the death penalty.

Not every state and there hasn't been an execution since Trump left office. Also, you don't get the death penalty in the US for having 'deviant thoughts'!!

There is no real comparison but you crack on.

 

[zefarelly]

Not every state and there hasn't been an execution since Trump left office. Also, you don't get the death penalty in the US for having 'deviant thoughts'!!

There is no real comparison but you crack on.

I'm not sure America is our closest Ally either. Thinking about it, Cayman Islands aside, do we have a close ally?, closer than the French ( secret affair) or Germans ( jealous dark secrets )

 

[clapham_gull]

didnt watch but seen some comments its just regurgitated well known info from his court case and general history.

Bit unfair, it's info in the public domain in a variety of books but some new leaked Russian Government documents confirm the stories.

Quite simply

Mr A bribes the Russian Government to merge a number of oil companies and make ready for sale. He has to borrow the money to make that happen.

A rigged auction allows Mr A to buy it at a knocked down price, via a loan from a state bank. That was new to me, but I might have forgotten that bit.

He sells the new company back to the Government at the actual market price and overnight he is a billionaire.

Not so much a successful businessman, but a very successful thief pulling the leavers of a corrupt administration.

His actual relationship with Putin is still unclear, but he should be nowhere near the UK (including its football clubs) even under existing legislation, invasion into Ukraine or not.

If the allegations are correct Chelsea under his ownership have been funded from stolen money.

I wouldn't expect that business entity to pay damages, but anything they have won under his ownership should be considered null and void.

Won't happen obviously.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Bit unfair, it's info in the public domain in a variety of books but some new leaked Russian Government documents confirm the stories.

Quite simply

Mr A bribes the Russian Government to merge a number of oil companies and make ready for sale. He has to borrow the money to make that happen.

A rigged auction allows Mr A to buy it at a knocked down price, via a loan from a state bank. That was new to me, but I might have forgotten that bit.

He sells the new company back to the Government at the actual market price and overnight he is a billionaire.

Not so much a successful businessman, but a very successful thief pulling the leavers of a corrupt administration.

His actual relationship with Putin is still unclear, but he should be nowhere near the UK (including its football clubs) even under existing legislation, invasion into Ukraine or not.

If the allegations are correct Chelsea under his ownership have been funded from stolen money.

I wouldn't expect that business entity to pay damages, but anything they have won under his ownership should be considered null and void.

Won't happen obviously.

Happens in every capitalist country - in Ireland, one example, an individual got his hands on a mobile phone licence at a knockdown price (the minister received 'secret payments') - fleeced customers for a few years - then floated it on the stock exchange and became a billionaire (and then bought an English football club).

 

[beorhthelm]

Not so much a successful businessman, but a very successful thief pulling the leavers of a corrupt administration.

flipping a few hundred million into 13bn is a blinding bit of business however you do it. it was legal in Russia, and its their business. western economy has been proped up with state loans the past decade, or generated billions of value from state grants for decades before, suddenly we've got a moral objection to another country following suit. here we'd call selling to government nationalisation and some people would be praising it.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Our closest allies the USA still have the death penalty.

They also have the largest per capita incarceration rate - and corporations running private prisons with guaranteed occupancy.