spring hall convert
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Yes he is. Doesn't mean someone HAS to employ him though.
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Ched Evans
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Yes he is. Doesn't mean someone HAS to employ him though.
Of course not. But nor should a criminal record once fully served prejudice someone against getting future employment. Otherwise we are saying we don't accept how the legal and judicial system in this country works.
I keep meaning to ask, but bottle out as I don't want to be misconstrued.
But it's an itch that won't go away.
For what reason are people actually upset:-
- The crime.
- The sentence.
- The time served.
- The lack of remorse.
- All of the above.
A genuine question, that is meant in no way to belittle such an abhorrent crime.
But would the uproar be so loud if Ched had served 6 of 8 years and apologised for his actions?
But it's an itch that won't go away.
For what reason are people actually upset:-
- The crime.
- The sentence.
- The time served.
- The lack of remorse.
- All of the above.
A genuine question, that is meant in no way to belittle such an abhorrent crime.
But would the uproar be so loud if Ched had served 6 of 8 years and apologised for his actions?
symyjym
Banned
I think it helps define the legal definition of rape. McDonald was found not guilty but Evans was. I think the line could be drawn when one drunken sexual encounter turns into two on the night.
spring hall convert
Well-known member
Being a footballer is not an ordinary job, it is subject to a degree of public scrutiny that is not present in other jobs. It is my view that it is a cynical and desperate club that employs an unrepentant convicted rapist. They're not doing it out of some desire to be seen as socially progressive justice advocates, they're not doing it because they believe he's been rehabilitated as he has done NOTHING to suggest he has been rehabilitated since his release. Indeed he still denies wrongdoing. Do you genuinely think if it were you or I we'd waltz back into our previous employment like nothing happened?
They're doing it because they think he'll score a few goals and they can make a quick buck off him. It's a hideously cynical decision made for all the wrong reasons.
With that I'm taking a break from this thread, it's exhausting.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
MacDonald was acquitted in this very case. So not sure how that impacts on what you're saying, because the court accepted drunken consent despite that still be suspicious given the state we are led the victim to have been in.
Personally I'd think that everyone was distanced from them by default.
Understandable.
I guess my point is that this case - as is made clear by Macdonald's acquittal - is RIGHT down the line of what is rape and what isn't, thus why there has been such debate and why it isn't such a black or white, open and shut case.
I actually think Evans is probably guilty, on the balance of things. However, I think it's poor that any kind of balanced conversation is shouted down with accusations of "rape apologist". I think that really doesn't help.
Quite possibly. Thank you for entering into a mature, sensible discussion with me. Very hard to find on this thread.
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It's a reasonable question. From my point of view, I wouldn't say I'm upset about it, but I am uncomfortable about the verdict based on the evidence that is in the public domain. That's not to say I know he innocent, I don't know and have never claimed that, just that I don't see that a jury could be convinced beyond reasonably doubt. No doubt there will be the usual crowd stating that I wasn't at court and the jury heard all the evidence however, did they? Was all the evidence available admissible? It would be interesting if a transcript of the trial was available online.
However, that aside I would comment as follows :- If he is guilty then obviously the problem is that the sentence is far too short for rape and the lack of remorse exacerbates that. If he shouldn't have been convicted then the lack of remorse purely in respect of rape is understandably and you wouldn't necessarily expect him to feel sympathetic to a willing sexual partner whose apparent memory loss has cost him a lucrative career and his liberty for two and half years.
With regard to playing now, i think he should wait until the CCRC have at least finished their review and, if it goes to appeal, when the appeal is over. However, I do think there is a large element of mob rule in the way these petitions are done and, as one journalist put it, 'clicktivism'.
brakespear
Doctor Worm
exactly. surely wouldn't have hurt whatever future appeal he or his legal team think he might get just to say that although he maintains his innocence wishes to disassociate himself from any of the actions carried
out by those who claim to 'support' him through such actions.
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aolstudios
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If you think what you posted earlier*was sensible & mature, you're delusional. It was lazy, crass & thoughtless. Imho, obviously...
somerset
New member
Of course its been satisfied......
Something like that.... Okay, i've kind of predicted the future too.
More like...
lull lull lull ...
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
It isn't really different to how many rape cases have been for many many years. The majority of rape cases are not necessarily physically violent or involve assault, they involve 2 people who often already know each other, and might already be in a sexual relationship. The issue of consent is the reason there is such a low conviction rate in rape cases. The benefit of doubt is with the defendant not the victim.
A jury decided that as the girl got in a cab with MacDonald knowing she was going back to a hotel with him, the likelihood was that he may have had at the very least an implied consent. The jury decided that Evans, who never met the girl, who surreptitiously gained entry to the room, who left by a back exit promptly afterward, did not.
People seem keen to suggest Evans might have had consent, but less keen to suggest it is actually MacDonald who has the miscarriage of justice of being acquitted.
I don't think this case does go right down the line of what rape is at all. I think it is reasonably straight forward decision on whether or not Evans had consent. There are far more significant cases like the wife who asked her husband to stop half way through intercourse who was subject to a controlling brutal relationship, or the boyfriend who tricked his girlfriend into having sex with him after she broke up by sending a fake text blackmailing her into it. They are defining the issue of consent because in both of those consent was initially given even if for very different reasons, and in both cases the accused were convicted.
seagullsovergrimsby
#cpfctinpotclub
Sky Sports News HQ @SkySportsNewsHQ 20s21 seconds ago
Another development on the Ched Evans story. Club partner Nando's have ended their arrangement with Oldham. #SSNHQ
Getting serious now.
Another development on the Ched Evans story. Club partner Nando's have ended their arrangement with Oldham. #SSNHQ
Getting serious now.
aolstudios
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Good news
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
I think its been getting serious for a while now