Ched Evans

[drew]

Of course the outcome matters. If the conviction stands, he raped a woman; if it's quashed, he had consensual sex with woman who seemingly regretted it the following day (we've all been there). Slight difference.

I know what you're saying but strictly speaking not quite correct. If it stands, yes, he remains a convicted rapist. If it is quashed then all that means is that there is enough doubt not to be convicted. That said, the new evidence might actually prove it was consensual although I'm not sure what that could be.

His behaviour that night was disgusting but, if it is proved consensual, then it applies to all three.

It doesn't say it in the report but on the tv news, the comment was made that for the CCRC to refer it to appeal, they have to have strong grounds that the conviction will be quashed.

We'll just have to wait.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

The fact that he cheated on his girlfriend is not for us to judge him on. That's between him and her, and she's clearly forgiven him.

Other than that, IF he's cleared, then all he did was have casual sex with a woman - something that 1000s of men and women do every weekend when a few drinks have lowered inhibitions.

Edited

IF he's cleared, we'll still never know how involved the girl was. She could have been anything from unconscious to clearly wanting to have sex.

There are, as you say, things we'll never know.

So, if we only stick do what we DO know:

Evans responded to a text from a mate ('Got a bird') and let himself into a hotel room, with said mate and a drunk girl that he'd not previously encountered, had sex with her whilst his mate watched, and a few others through the window, before sneaking out of the fire exit, leaving her asleep in her own piss.

Not quite 'casual sex' as most know it.

 

[Steve.S]

I can understand that viewpoint, I'm sure you wouldn't be alone. There might be some employment law issues about refusing to hire a 'free man' with legally no stain on his reputation if he was cleared on appeal, but we're a long way from that yet. Certainly going to be huge interest in those proceedings.

Football s different from normal employment, the don't advertise for footballers. They approach them and enter into discussions that may end in a contract offer .So no issues about refusing to hire him will come into it. I would think any club with any sense would steer clear of him. Nothing to do with is guilt or innocence, to much of a risk

 

[Bold Seagull]

There are, as you say, things we'll never know.

So, if we only stick do what we DO know:

Evans responded to a text from a mate ('Got a bird') and let himself into a hotel room, with said mate and a drunk girl that he'd not previously encountered, had sex with her whilst his mate watched, and a few others through the window, before sneaking out of the fire exit, leaving her asleep in her own piss.

Not quite 'casual sex' as most know it.

Clearly for some, this is how 1000's of people behave every week!

 

[nwgull]

I accept that there's likely ambiguity in the outcome even if he's successful with his appeal.

Other than that I just think that I have a far more liberal moral compass than most - possibly after having experienced some fairly wild times at uni and during my 20s with rugby mates - so it's pointless arguing my reasons for why I would have no issues with him if evidence were to be produced that showed that he was probably innocent.

 

[jameswestport]

Could do a job

 

[Sheebo]

Indeed - if I were an employer who had chosen not to employ him at the time, or a fan who had campaigned for my club not to sign him, I'd be perfectly comfortable with my stance, based on that behaviour - regardless of any appeal.

Think I know what you mean....regardless of the outcome, his behaviour on the night in question was pretty abhorrent.

Genuine question as I did read about the case a while ago but can't remember all the details but what was it that suggested he was behaving like a tool or is a **** etc?

EDIT - Just read HKFC above post about his mates etc. I guess depends on quite what 'got a bird' meant but doesn't particularly show him in a good light does it. On the other hand I'd also say I wouldn't want to judge a fella I don't know on one nights shit behaviour but agree that bit isn't nice atall...

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Could do a job

No he couldn't.

Without considering anything else, 23 goals in 99 Championship appearances ( and 1 goal in 26 PL appearances ) is not the record of a striker that we should be looking to sign.

 

[lawros left foot]

Still think what I thought at the time, I'm not sure there is no reasonable doubt.

 

[Mellotron]

Still think what I thought at the time, I'm not sure there is no reasonable doubt.

Of course there isn't.

 

[symyjym]

Still think what I thought at the time, I'm not sure there is no reasonable doubt.

It’s a bit like the burglar claiming innocence because the window was open and he was only following his mate inside anyway. I mean surely the owner of the property must have given him permission to enter by leaving the window open in the first place.

 

[lawros left foot]

It’s a bit like the burglar claiming innocence because the window was open and he was only following his mate inside anyway. I mean surely the owner of the property must have given him permission to enter by leaving the window open in the first place.

But then you have to believe the girl, and I was never convinced she was telling the truth.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

But then you have to believe the girl, and I was never convinced she was telling the truth.

His defence has got some new evidence, which was needed for it to have even been sent for appeal.

 

[lawros left foot]

His defence has got some new evidence, which was needed for it to have even been sent for appeal.

I know all that, I was referring to the original trial, I read the statements and a lot of the trial transcripts, and, I couldn't have convicted him 'beyond reasonable doubt'

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I know all that, I was referring to the original trial, I read the statements and a lot of the trial transcripts, and, I couldn't have convicted him 'beyond reasonable doubt'

Nor me, and I also read a lot of the details.

 

[symyjym]

But then you have to believe the girl, and I was never convinced she was telling the truth.

What was Ched's intention when turning up in the hotel in the early hours of the morning?

Do you agree that he was being opportunistic?

 

[larus]

IF he is acquitted, then, just because he is a 'shit', why should his career be in threads?

I always wonder about those who post the 'holier than thou' comments threads. They may have things in their own private lives which they wouldn't like being made public. We have all done things in our youth which we wouldn't want to own up to or be proud of. But, everyone has a different moral compass, and to try to judge everyone on one set of rules is impossible. What about people who like wife-swapping, threesomes, S&M, etc?

This self-righteousness reminds me of a old guy I used to work with on one of my customer sites. At lunch times he would read books about God/Jesus, but there was another guy in this company who he didn't like, who was voted 'Worker Of The Year' one year. This old guy referred to him as 'Wa*ker Of The Year'. So much for being a Christian person. So, when I hear all of these pious comments it makes me wonder.....

 

[lawros left foot]

What was Ched's intention when turning up in the hotel in the early hours of the morning?

Do you agree that he was being opportunistic?

I believe he was staying at the hotel, from memory. I'm not arguing the whole case again, my views on it haven't changed, none of the people involved come out of it in a good light, but, I did think at the time, I couldn't convict him beyond reasonable doubt, on the evidence presented in court, and had he not been a fairly high profile footballer, neither would the jury

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I believe he was staying at the hotel, from memory.

No. No, he wasn't.

He was in a cab on his way elsewhere (to collect his brother from a police station, rings a bell) when he got the text from his mate, telling him to come and fill his boots, so diverted the cab.

After he'd gained access to the room (by lying to the receptionist) he sneaked out of the hotel by a fire exit, and got a cab home.

 

[Sheebo]

IF he is acquitted, then, just because he is a 'shit', why should his career be in threads?

I always wonder about those who post the 'holier than thou' comments threads. They may have things in their own private lives which they wouldn't like being made public. We have all done things in our youth which we wouldn't want to own up to or be proud of. But, everyone has a different moral compass, and to try to judge everyone on one set of rules is impossible. What about people who like wife-swapping, threesomes, S&M, etc?

This self-righteousness reminds me of a old guy I used to work with on one of my customer sites. At lunch times he would read books about God/Jesus, but there was another guy in this company who he didn't like, who was voted 'Worker Of The Year' one year. This old guy referred to him as 'Wa*ker Of The Year'. So much for being a Christian person. So, when I hear all of these pious comments it makes me wonder.....

Very true. Reminds me of a story I posted on here a few weeks back of a girl I worked with who told me off for saying 'Jesus' (obviously no offence was meant & I even apologised...) A few months down the line she was up the duff with a man who she wasn't married to & I believe was still married to someone else