[Technology] ChatGPT

[The Clamp]

Again, you're missing the point by a fair distance. You're spending a lot of time in a thread on something you don't care about.

Other people have posted in this thread about how it is useful to them, saving them time and making them more productive. Maybe those are the posts you should be really getting stuck into, in order to help you see what is happening here.

Maybe.

I haven’t said I don’t care about these sort of things. Quite the opposite in fact.

Neither have I said it’s useless but so far the examples you have offered up all seem pretty near useless. ie schoolwork.

While I understand some people are very keen on the benefits of these advances, the original post was asking if they are more intelligent than humans. I am simply saying that no, they are not.

 

[Swansman]

I’m sure a geography teacher would spot 30 essays mentioning slinkys?

I guess a way to make sure all of the students using this software aren’t all handing in the same essay is for all the students to cross reference their essays before handing them in.

Which seems pretty time consuming.

Not 30 of them would mention slinkys because if you tell it 30 times to do what Bozza did above, you get 30 different answers with different examples etc.

 

[Swansman]

What site are people generating these from? This is fascinating.

https://chat.openai.com/

 

[The Clamp]

Not 30 of them would mention slinkys because if you tell it 30 times to do what Bozza did above, you get 30 different answers with different examples etc.

But you wouldn’t know that the other students hadn’t done similar.

Every definition that was returned in that example mentioned slinky’s without being prompted. So you’d have to start going down the road of instructing it not to mention slinky’s etc.

Seems like it’d be easier to do one’s own research. It would certainly be more productive.

Away from the essay example it is clearly making lives easier for some sectors.

But as to the original question. Is it more intelligent than humans? Clearly not. It’s appears it is quicker in some applications, though.

 

[A1X]

Why do all the ChatGPT letters posted so far just read like Crodo threads?

 

[Swansman]

But you wouldn’t know that the other students hadn’t done similar.

Every definition that was returned in that example mentioned slinky’s without being prompted. So you’d have to start going down the road of instructing it not to mention slinky’s etc.

Seems like it’d be easier to do one’s own research. It would certainly be more productive.

Away from the essay example it is clearly making lives easier for some sectors.

But as to the original question. Is it more intelligent than humans? Clearly not. It’s appears it is quicker in some applications, though.

If I give it the exact same instructions Bozza did:


define a longitudinal wave

A longitudinal wave, also known as a compression wave, is a type of wave in which the oscillation of the particles of the medium is in the same direction as the direction of wave propagation. Examples of longitudinal waves include sound waves in air and longitudinal waves in solids.

do the above in a very simple language

A longitudinal wave is a type of wave where the movement of the particles of a medium is in the same direction as the wave is moving. A common example of this is the sound wave you hear when someone talks or a music plays.

do the above without using the word medium

A longitudinal wave is a type of wave where the movement of the things that the wave is passing through is in the same direction as the wave is moving. A common example of this is the sound wave you hear when someone talks or a music plays.

do the above and provide 5 concise examples

A longitudinal wave is a type of wave where the movement of the things that the wave is passing through is in the same direction as the wave is moving. Here are five examples of longitudinal waves:

1. Sound waves in air - heard when someone talks or music plays
2. Longitudinal waves in a solid like a metal rod when struck with a hammer.
3. P-waves in seismology
4. Compression waves in a fluid, such as ocean waves.
5. Compressional waves in the atmosphere, such as shock waves generated by an aircraft or thunder.

= no "slinky" to be seen

 

[Eric the meek]

https://chat.openai.com/

I tried to open it, but it said that 'ChatGPT is at capacity right now'. There is a link 'Get notified when we're back'.

In a previous attempt, it told me 'ChatGPT can predict the future with 100% accuracy'.

So why can't it tell me when it will be back then? Huh?

I'm not convinced this is an upgrade from 'Your call is important to us. We will aim to get back to you within 10 working days'.

 

[The Clamp]

If I give it the exact same instructions Bozza did:


define a longitudinal wave

A longitudinal wave, also known as a compression wave, is a type of wave in which the oscillation of the particles of the medium is in the same direction as the direction of wave propagation. Examples of longitudinal waves include sound waves in air and longitudinal waves in solids.

do the above in a very simple language

A longitudinal wave is a type of wave where the movement of the particles of a medium is in the same direction as the wave is moving. A common example of this is the sound wave you hear when someone talks or a music plays.

do the above without using the word medium

A longitudinal wave is a type of wave where the movement of the things that the wave is passing through is in the same direction as the wave is moving. A common example of this is the sound wave you hear when someone talks or a music plays.

do the above and provide 5 concise examples

A longitudinal wave is a type of wave where the movement of the things that the wave is passing through is in the same direction as the wave is moving. Here are five examples of longitudinal waves:

1. Sound waves in air - heard when someone talks or music plays
2. Longitudinal waves in a solid like a metal rod when struck with a hammer.
3. P-waves in seismology
4. Compression waves in a fluid, such as ocean waves.
5. Compressional waves in the atmosphere, such as shock waves generated by an aircraft or thunder.

= no "slinky" to be seen

They did all come up with “sound wave” though.

So okay. Cool. Now you just have to make sure not one student in your group has come up with the same or too similar a definition.

Or of course, that if it’s a nationally marked piece of coursework or module, not too many people in the U.K. have been given the same essay by the bot

Or of course, that you have checked all the work and verified it as fact before handing it in.

Or of course, hope that whomever is grading the piece doesn’t run it through a plagiarism recognition algorithm or can spot when a bot has written something .

It seemed so plausible, eh!

 

[CheeseRolls]

A lot to digest here. I listened to the start of a 90 minute podcast, a couple of weeks back. Three AI voices conversing on a script derived from one guy's tweets in the previous week and all the linked papers he had referenced - The possibilities are endless.

I was on a Teams call this week with a guy with a strange object behind him. As the call wrapped up I had to ask - "3D Printer, I use is to make theatre props, when it works" was the answer. Remember the hype? The reality is that they do a small number of things brilliantly, but some people had a lot of fun exploring possibilities and others just expressed their disdain.

Not for me and the only used Bing twice folk - You can make a conscious decision, but I guarantee you will use a lot of this stuff on a regular basis and not even be aware of it.

The letter to Paul Barber highlighted a really important point for me. How do you know if you are interacting with real people? Everyone loves a bit of positive affirmation, look how many people like my posts? We already have a huge problem with people believing all sorts of ridiculous conspiracy theories and with radicalisation. This stuff is really cheap to deploy at scale.

 

[Robinjakarta]

How are you guys doing this because I keep getting told it's at capacity

Same here.

 

[Bozza]

How are you guys doing this because I keep getting told it's at capacity but I need to do my fire risk assessment

Same here.

Just keep trying - don't bother with the alert thing.

I've used it a few times before today, and I got the same "too busy" message earlier, so I just tried a few times and it let me in. It's continued to keep working ever since.

 

[Tfitz12]

I tried to open it, but it said that 'ChatGPT is at capacity right now'. There is a link 'Get notified when we're back'.

In a previous attempt, it told me 'ChatGPT can predict the future with 100% accuracy'.

So why can't it tell me when it will be back then? Huh?

I'm not convinced this is an upgrade from 'Your call is important to us. We will aim to get back to you within 10 working days'.

Just keep refreshing, normally takes about 4 or 5 times and you'll get in

 

[beorhthelm]

What happens if you put in the name of a player never associated with the club?

Write an angry letter to CEO at Brighton & Hove Albion about the club's failure to replace striker Jesus

Dear [CEO of Brighton & Hove Albion],

I am writing to express my extreme disappointment and frustration with the club's failure to replace striker Jesus. As a devoted fan of Brighton & Hove Albion, I have watched with dismay as the team has struggled to find a suitable replacement for such a talented and important player.

Jesus' departure has left a huge hole in the team, and it is clear that the club's lack of action in replacing him has had a significant impact on the team's performance. The poor results and lack of goals on the field are a direct result of the club's failure to address this crucial issue.

I find it unacceptable that the club would neglect such an obvious and pressing need. The transfer window is now closed, and it's too late to bring any new striker. It shows the lack of planning and foresight on the part of the club's management.

I have been a loyal supporter of Brighton & Hove Albion for many years, and I am deeply disappointed by the club's failure to address this issue in a timely and effective manner. I urge the club to take immediate action to rectify this situation and bring in a new striker before it's too late.

Sincerely,

as you can see its pretty much a template, exactly same came out for Connolly and Ronaldo.

 

[Eric the meek]

Just keep refreshing, normally takes about 4 or 5 times and you'll get in

Maybe I want it fail, like Mrs Doyle in Father Ted, when she was presented with a new fandangled tea-making machine.

 

[Swansman]

They did all come up with “sound wave” though.

So okay. Cool. Now you just have to make sure not one student in your group has come up with the same or too similar a definition.

Or of course, that if it’s a nationally marked piece of coursework or module, not too many people in the U.K. have been given the same essay by the bot

Or of course, that you have checked all the work and verified it as fact before handing it in.

Or of course, hope that whomever is grading the piece doesn’t run it through a plagiarism recognition algorithm or can spot when a bot has written something .

It seemed so plausible, eh!

Yes they all come up with "sound wave", and if I told it to write about St George it would mention "dragon". But the kids would as well, with or without the AI.

The essay can be altered in eternity. Sure if you take the original output it will look very AI and similar to others who doesn't know how to cheat properly. But if you tell it to rewrite it in various ways until it looks fairly unique, no problem.

Facts could be a problem in many cases. I don't know enough about these "longitudal waves" to know if they're factual or not, but I've seen it give false years and stuff when it comes to some subjects.

Plagiarism recognition algorithms work fine against the original outputs but when you start asking it to rewrite in different ways, these plagiarism tools are struggling to keep up (at least right now, since I happen to know that there is a bit of a crisis at Lund University right now coping with this problem) though they are obviously going to improve; its a difficult race though, there's more money spent on making AIs act natural than to make anti-plagiarism tools.

 

[AlbionBro]

Its only going to improve and right now the improvements are exponential. Buckle in

I like your style and all you have said, I am not sure this will effect me directly, but I will buckle in for indirect disturbance! I will also get my grandson washing my car if it is going to free up so much time for him when it comes to essays.
ChatGPT
"Should I pay my grandson to wash my motor"..

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I assume that - at present - to your trained eye, it will be relatively easy to spot the difference between a 'genuine' essay and a ChatGPT-generated one, but that it will get progressively more difficult as time goes by.

If it hasn't already been mooted (what am I saying, of course it has), the next big thing might be bot-spotting software, to counter the evil ChatGPT.

We have 'turnitin' which checks global data bases and published literature for 'cut and paste'. It will be interesting to see if it can bot spot. Our Chinese national students are always getting done because they prep essays by cut and paste and edit, and often forget to do the latter bit. Prepping work this way is madness. I tell students to write only what they understand and understand everything they write. And I set bespoke questions. But that's final year stuff. In years 1 and 2, especially with the decline in essay question setting and the use of SAQs, we are turning a blind eye to cut and pasted text with online exams. We are shifting back to 'in the exam hall' assessments, but the latest nonsense is to equip exam halls with laptops (that have to be connected to the web to upload the work) because 'students can't write with a pen anymore' and will 'complain if asked to do so'. Many have never written an essay, ever. Some of my academic colleagues, who were crap at research and have become teaching and admin people are....rather careless when it comes to beta testing innovation in assesment (this is a kindly perspective - other perspectives are available).

 

[cjd]

Why do all the ChatGPT letters posted so far just read like Crodo threads?

I was also wondering if the poster Vagabond/DeZerbi/Mustafa II uses this..? It might explain why he is able to write sooooooooo much copious amounts of shit on virtually every subject going...??

 

[Coldeanseagull]

I've read a few of the examples given here and it makes you want to say "Sarah Connor?"
It'll be a few years before we need to worry about a T800 knocking on the door though

 

[Eric the meek]

We have 'turnitin' which checks global data bases and published literature for 'cut and paste'. It will be interesting to see if it can bot spot. Our Chinese national students are always getting done because they prep essays by cut and paste and edit, and often forget to do the latter bit. Prepping work this way is madness. I tell students to write only what they understand and understand everything they write. And I set bespoke questions. But that's final year stuff. In years 1 and 2, especially with the decline in essay question setting and the use of SAQs, we are turning a blind eye to cut and pasted text with online exams. We are shifting back to 'in the exam hall' assessments, but the latest nonsense is to equip exam halls with laptops (that have to be connected to the web to upload the work) because 'students can't write with a pen anymore' and will 'complain if asked to do so'. Many have never written an essay, ever. Some of my academic colleagues, who were crap at research and have become teaching and admin people are....rather careless when it comes to beta testing innovation in assesment (this is a kindly perspective - other perspectives are available).

Thanks for the reply. It's not an altogether encouraging snapshot of academia. Some of the revelations are extraordinary, and are indicative of the erosion in standards over the years.

I'm left wondering how I would react if I had students who have never written an essay, so they go and find one on the internet, and don't even have the nous to edit it themselves. Christ. But I admire your resilience. Never mind AI and ChatGPT; I would have been long gone.