Change to match day security

[The Fifth Column]

All this extra security is all rather pointless though really, the stewards look into bags and do a cursory pat down. They have no idea what they are looking for and what idiot armed with guns and a suicide belt is going to dutifully queue up and then allow his bomb and weapons to be found by some plum in a flourescent orange jacket. All it achieves is a psychological boost that they are seen to be doing something extra in the wake of what happened in France it isn't actually making anything safer. The only real advice is for everyone to increase their vigilance and to report anything or anyone they think is suspicious or out of the ordinary, if that means someone gets offended by being pulled up and spoken to then so be it. Extra bag searches and pat downs are a complete waste of time because if an attack comes it will be sudden, brutal and no-one will be able to stop it.

 

[Crispy Ambulance]

All this extra security is all rather pointless though really, the stewards look into bags and do a cursory pat down. They have no idea what they are looking for and what idiot armed with guns and a suicide belt is going to dutifully queue up and then allow his bomb and weapons to be found by some plum in a flourescent orange jacket. All it achieves is a psychological boost that they are seen to be doing something extra in the wake of what happened in France it isn't actually making anything safer. The only real advice is for everyone to increase their vigilance and to report anything or anyone they think is suspicious or out of the ordinary, if that means someone gets offended by being pulled up and spoken to then so be it. Extra bag searches and pat downs are a complete waste of time because if an attack comes it will be sudden, brutal and no-one will be able to stop it.

Can't argue with any of that.

 

[jameswestport]

All this extra security is all rather pointless though really, the stewards look into bags and do a cursory pat down. They have no idea what they are looking for and what idiot armed with guns and a suicide belt is going to dutifully queue up and then allow his bomb and weapons to be found by some plum in a flourescent orange jacket. All it achieves is a psychological boost that they are seen to be doing something extra in the wake of what happened in France it isn't actually making anything safer. The only real advice is for everyone to increase their vigilance and to report anything or anyone they think is suspicious or out of the ordinary, if that means someone gets offended by being pulled up and spoken to then so be it. Extra bag searches and pat downs are a complete waste of time because if an attack comes it will be sudden, brutal and no-one will be able to stop it.

I donno. Surely you'd have to be a bit dim to believe killing a load of innocent peoples a good idea. What if they did find something and save everyone. You'd be sorry then or would you. Probably not you'd be happy enough

 

[The Fifth Column]

I donno. Surely you'd have to be a bit dim to believe killing a load of innocent peoples a good idea. What if they did find something and save everyone. You'd be sorry then or would you. Probably not you'd be happy enough

If you believe these people are 'a bit dim' that says more about your limited understanding of IS I'm afraid. Many of them are normal intelligent people who truly believe they are doing Gods work and that is why they are so dangerous, dim they are not. The likelihood of an Albion steward successfully finding weapons and bombs and somehow managing to convince the fella with them to hand them over is so absurd its laughable. And if they did why would I not be happy with that? Are you suggesting I'd be pleased with a terror attack? Don't be a dick.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

If you believe these people are 'a bit dim' that says more about your limited understanding of IS I'm afraid. Many of them are normal intelligent people who truly believe they are doing Gods work and that is why they are so dangerous, dim they are not. The likelihood of an Albion steward successfully finding weapons and bombs and somehow managing to convince the fella with them to hand them over is so absurd its laughable. And if they did why would I not be happy with that? Are you suggesting I'd be pleased with a terror attack? Don't be a dick.

Asking him to hand them over? Shirley if someone opens their jacket to revile a bomb the best course of action is to drop the cu*t

 

[theboybilly]

All this extra security is all rather pointless though really, the stewards look into bags and do a cursory pat down. They have no idea what they are looking for and what idiot armed with guns and a suicide belt is going to dutifully queue up and then allow his bomb and weapons to be found by some plum in a flourescent orange jacket. All it achieves is a psychological boost that they are seen to be doing something extra in the wake of what happened in France it isn't actually making anything safer. The only real advice is for everyone to increase their vigilance and to report anything or anyone they think is suspicious or out of the ordinary, if that means someone gets offended by being pulled up and spoken to then so be it. Extra bag searches and pat downs are a complete waste of time because if an attack comes it will be sudden, brutal and no-one will be able to stop it.

It reminds me of Kevin Bridges' joke about the woman passenger who, on suspecting a suicide bomber might be aboard, moved to the back of the bus. 'I guess she has no notion of the capabilty of Semtex'. 'Sudden, brutal and unstoppable' about sums it up

 

[GT49er]

Asking him to hand them over? Shirley if someone opens their jacket to revile a bomb the best course of action is to drop the cu*t

Stewarding at the Stade Français seemed to be quite effective though. Three suicide bombers, wasn't it - and how many did they manage to kill? Didn't even get inside, did they?

 

[soistes]

I'm not so sure it's a pointless exercise. Sure, if a suicide bomber shows up at the Amex with a bomb under his jacket, it's unlikely that a steward will stop him detonating it on his way in (although probably doing less damage than if he'd got inside). It may be however that tighter security, searches etc and the attendant publicity (assuming that terrorists research their targets beforehand) act as a disincentive to terrorists to choose the Amex as a target, knowing that they're less likely to get inside and cause maximum damage.

 

[studio150]

Stewarding at the Stade Français seemed to be quite effective though. Three suicide bombers, wasn't it - and how many did they manage to kill? Didn't even get inside, did they?

But didn't they turn up after the game had already started. Would they have been detected if they had turned up an hour before the game?

 

[Guinness Boy]

If you believe these people are 'a bit dim' that says more about your limited understanding of IS I'm afraid. Many of them are normal intelligent people who truly believe they are doing Gods work and that is why they are so dangerous, dim they are not. The likelihood of an Albion steward successfully finding weapons and bombs and somehow managing to convince the fella with them to hand them over is so absurd its laughable. And if they did why would I not be happy with that? Are you suggesting I'd be pleased with a terror attack? Don't be a dick.

Dim is what MOST of them are. Weak willed, brain washed believers in a pre-medieval book, a prophet and a magic sky fairy. The Paris attackers were denied entrance to the Stade de France by a vigilant steward,.turned up at the wrong time and were off their nuts on drugs.

The leaders / masterminds are very clever indeed - psychopathic and charismatic - but they're needed to plan the ops, get the arms and brainwash the fools.

Doing nothing would be madness bearing this in mind. .

 

[Stat Brother]

Fingers crossed the stewards can corral a bomb heavy terrorist next to the Bridge car park 'tunnel'.
Detonation there would create 2 lane access.

Everyone's a winner

 

[dazzer6666]

I'm not so sure it's a pointless exercise. Sure, if a suicide bomber shows up at the Amex with a bomb under his jacket, it's unlikely that a steward will stop him detonating it on his way in (although probably doing less damage than if he'd got inside). It may be however that tighter security, searches etc and the attendant publicity (assuming that terrorists research their targets beforehand) act as a disincentive to terrorists to choose the Amex as a target, knowing that they're less likely to get inside and cause maximum damage.

Agree - at least some deterrent factor makes the stadium not quite such a soft target. Still potential for carnage outside, on the train, at Brighton station etc etc but it's all about risk limitation I guess.

Not sure I would describe the radicalised individuals as dim - seems as though many are highly trained and intelligent. Brainwashed and misguided certainly though. Very different type of terrorist (compared to say IRA in the past) to deal with when someone is expecting (and actually positively trying) to kill themselves as part of the act.

 

[Notters]

Surely having huge crowds stuck outside is more of a security risk?

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

I've had my backpack searched at media entrances at the Emirates and Wembley on every visit (nowehere else) and on each occasion the person involved has had a cursory glance inside at my usual jumble of cables that really could be anything but have never once asked for a closer look. Wembley do also have those magnetic wands that they use in airports, but the Super Bowl has the best security, with magnetic gates and sniffer dogs since 9/11. Do we have the will or the funding to go down that road?

 

[Seasider78]

Interesting whilst in London this week that around major tourist attractions like Trafalgar Square there was almost no police presence and nobody was stopped and searched, yet somehow on entry to a second tier football match we all need to be individually frisked on entry.

This plays exactly into the terrorists hands with scaremongering and over the top reactions preventing people going about their normal day to day activities.

 

[Nibble]

Ridiculous. Unless they are going to employ these measures permanently, it's a nonsense. A few weeks of "Oooh, better tighten security", before going back to normal won't change anything. By the way, normal is fine. Ridiculous overreaction. Thank God this generation weren't about during WW2, we'd have been right up slack alley.

 

[Nibble]

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[Hillian1]

To get around not being allowed a bag I'm going to stitch ten mini flasks into my vest.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Ridiculous. Unless they are going to employ these measures permanently, it's a nonsense. A few weeks of "Oooh, better tighten security", before going back to normal won't change anything. By the way, normal is fine. Ridiculous overreaction. Thank God this generation weren't about during WW2, we'd have been right up slack alley.

Somewhat agree. And most terrorist attacks have not been carbon copies of previous outrages. Just because a football ground was a target in the last Isis operation doesn't mean it will be in the next one - quite the opposite, on past form.

Also - and I await the inevitable accusations of racism - I imagine political correctness on the part of the club will mean that fans of all ages and ethnic origins will be searched with equal thoroughness when the majority of suicide bombers tend to fit a particular profile.

 

[Mackenzie]

Somewhat agree. And most terrorist attacks have not been carbon copies of previous outrages. Just because a football ground was a target in the last Isis operation doesn't mean it will be in the next one - quite the opposite, on past form.

Also - and I await the inevitable accusations of racism - I imagine political correctness on the part of the club will mean that fans of all ages and ethnic origins will be searched with equal thoroughness when the majority of suicide bombers tend to fit a particular profile.

It's not racist to mention that certain ethnicities fit the terrorist profile, in fact it would probably lead to a more efficient deployment of resources. Could you imagine the shitstorm though, if our stewards picked out punters to search based on their race!

Yeah that's not going to happen.