[Football] Champions' league final issues

[Deadly Danson]

What percentage of fans turn up to the ground with out a ticket?

Has potter ever encourage ticketless fans to travel like Klopp did this week?

You do seem absolutely desperate to blame Liverpool fans. Everything I'm hearing from very reputable sources is that the organisation and policing has been absolutely shambolic. I'm not saying ticketless fans haven't got their part to play, of course they have, but event planning just has to take account of these things. I've already seen plenty of social media posts already going back to blame Liverpool fans for Hillsborough. I mean honestly. I'm done with people.

 

[Deleted member 37369]

So that clearly doesn’t apply if you are Spanish. Stop making excuses, it’s staring you in the face

Just saw a shot of the RM end behind the goal. You can’t see the gangways!

The shot we see across the centre of the pitch is ‘neutral’ area!


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[Kinky Gerbil]

You do seem absolutely desperate to blame Liverpool fans. Everything I'm hearing from very reputable sources is that the organisation and policing has been absolutely shambolic. I'm not saying ticketless fans haven't got their part to play, of course they have, but event planning just has to take account of these things. I've already seen plenty of social media posts already going back to blame Liverpool fans for Hillsborough. I mean honestly. I'm done with people.

If 30k ticketless people turn up at an airport, what do you think would happen?

Do you think the security staff could cope?

Why can the Paris stadium normally cope?

 

[portlock seagull]

You do seem absolutely desperate to blame Liverpool fans. Everything I'm hearing from very reputable sources is that the organisation and policing has been absolutely shambolic. I'm not saying ticketless fans haven't got their part to play, of course they have, but event planning just has to take account of these things. I've already seen plenty of social media posts already going back to blame Liverpool fans for Hillsborough. I mean honestly. I'm done with people.

Sadly there’s just no reasoning with many people. They simply want to believe lies because it’s suits their prejudices. Take the American Mid-West for example, not just these anti Scouse types who are beyond evil for still, still, using Hillsborough lies as a stick to beat them with.

 

[Deadly Danson]

If 30k ticketless people turn up at an airport, what do you think would happen?

Do you think the security staff could cope?

Why can the Paris stadium normally cope?

If they turned up unannounced I'd expect a problem. If given several weeks warning at a major event in a major capital with huge resources and with probably only a tiny proportion of those 30k actually bothering to try to get in I'd expect them to manage it properly.
Anyway, I'm done here. Maybe it will all turn out to be Liverpool fans causing the problems but I'm not going to prejudge a situation based on prejudices.

 

[Guinness Boy]

If 30k ticketless people turn up at an airport, what do you think would happen?

Do you think the security staff could cope?

Why can the Paris stadium normally cope?

Yep. Again, spot on.

Or substitute Glastonbury, Silverstone, a Lord’s test.

The blame is firmly on any fan that got in without a ticket, no matter who they support. And the idea that Liverpool sat back when they had the higher number of ticketless fans in Paris is laughable


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[timbha]

Just saw a shot of the RM end behind the goal. You can’t see the gangways!

The shot we see across the centre of the pitch is ‘neutral’ area!


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Fair enough, I haven’t noticed that. What I have noticed is individual RM fans being able to skip up and down the gangways and take their seats. The equivalent gangways at the Liverpool end are jam packed.

Down to perception I suppose.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

The main camera angle is shit.

Like watching at West Ham

 

[Gazwag]

If 30k ticketless people turn up at an airport, what do you think would happen?

Do you think the security staff could cope?

Why can the Paris stadium normally cope?

If they knew 30k people were coming I would expect a different response than if the didn't

 

[portlock seagull]

British journalist forcibly made to delete the film he took of the Police in chaos, beating up fans, tear gasing families and media alike.

Sounds like the Paris police utterly lost control - authorities should be ashamed. Many fans unable to get in with genuine tickets. All they got was watery stinging eyes for their troubles and expense.

 

[Swansman]

If 30k ticketless people turn up at an airport, what do you think would happen?

Do you think the security staff could cope?

Why can the Paris stadium normally cope?

No excuse. The French authorities need to take some height that this can happen, based on what they know (which should be a lot). With proper planning and enough resources this should not be able to happen.

 

[jonny.rainbow]

Fair enough, I haven’t noticed that. What I have noticed is individual RM fans being able to skip up and down the gangways and take their seats. The equivalent gangways at the Liverpool end are jam packed.

Down to perception I suppose.

You can’t see a lot of the Liverpool section because it is behind the main camera angle.

 

[Shooting Star]

No excuse. The French authorities need to take some height that this can happen, based on what they know (which should be a lot). With proper planning and enough resources this should not be able to happen.

I agree. Sevilla seemed to manage it with 100,000 Rangers fans, unless I missed reports stating otherwise.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

If 30k ticketless people turn up at an airport, what do you think would happen?

Do you think the security staff could cope?

Why can the Paris stadium normally cope?

How many ticketless Liverpool fans have tried to get into the ground ?

 

[portlock seagull]

Imagine paying £1k for a valid ticket, waiting hours in a queue outside, and being then kicked, gassed and punched by Police and stewards before not allowed in because it’s deemed “full”, then not even being able to watch match in a local bar!!!!

#BarberIN

 

[Deleted member 37369]

How many ticketless Liverpool fans have tried to get into the ground ?

All 30,000 of them ... apparently

 

[timbha]

Imagine paying £1k for a valid ticket, waiting hours in a queue outside, and being then kicked, gassed and punched by Police and stewards before not allowed in because it’s deemed “full”, then not even being able to watch match in a local bar!!!!

#BarberIN

Didn’t the palace fans claim all this when their fans broke into the Amex? !!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

How many ticketless Liverpool fans have tried to get into the ground ?

How many is too many? The Liverpool end is apparently full with hundreds out side it’s tickets

 

[Guinness Boy]

How many ticketless Liverpool fans have tried to get into the ground ?

One legitimate ticket holder kept out by one thief is one too many.


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[Eeyore]

Sky video showing Liverpool fans outside the gates waiting with tickets and not allowed in. Fans inside telling of terrifying experience with singular queuing system, crushes and poor policing.

Looks like some fans did get in without tickets, but not the main issue.

Perhaps wait for the proper verdict.

But UEFAs initial line is blame shifting. That is clear.