Cenotaph climber revealed

[Scampi]

How ignorant can you get? It represents all our soldiers who have died, including those whose bodies are missing or blown to smithereens. It is our national gravestone. Would you climb all over your grandfather's gravestone?

Not as ignorant as you obviously.

 

[Biscuit]

You were scraping the barrel with the Daily Mail comment, now you're just tedious.

People (myself included) are genuinely upset about what that prick, Gilmour, did. If all you're going to do is sneer at us then perhaps you're not quite so spectactular as you seem to think you are.

Sorry you think that, but I've never thought of myself as 'spectactular' or for that matter spectacular. I think the language people are using is tidious. Sorry you didn't like my jibe at the Mail readers, but my respect for a paper and a readership that flirted with facism in the 30's isn't too high I'm afraid.

I think everyone is hugely over reacting and I think some of it isn't out of disgust but out of party politics. Sure, he shouldn't have climbed the Cenotaph, but I'm with Notters -

People place waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much emphasis in symbolism. Yeah, climbing on an important monument isn't a great idea but I'm pretty sure these people weren't saying "f*** the war veterens".

 

[Biscuit]

Fetishising the celebration of our glorious war heroes is intrinsically nationalistic. I''ve had to sit and listen to crass lectures from Serbs and Croats and Albanians who were trying to justify ethnic cleansing,

I think the current popularity to call everyone who signed up to the army 'heroes' by default is a thread for another day...

 

[HovaGirl]

I'm sorry but the sort of juvenile " won't somebody think of the children" reactions of the likes of Hovagirl are exactly the sort of crap wheeled out by nationalists in the fromer yugoslavia. Gilmour junior is a bit of a tit, but he quite obviously didn't consciously decide to desecrate a the war memorial. His worse crime is not thinking at all, which is hardly a surprise caught up in the crowd as he and the demonstrators were. It's not exactly a hanging offense.

Countries like the former Yugoslavia spent many years under the Russian yoke where they had to give up their national identity and the symbols that went with it. As you were probably not a (former) Yugoslav national, this might seem over the top to you, while it may have been very important to them. Just as our own national symbols and memories of heroes and those who have given their lives are important to the majority of us. You want Nationalism in all its glory? Come to Greece. Or go to France. Or Italy. Or the USA. Or any country other than the United Kingdom, which seems increasingly to hate anything which reminds itself how important it has been and what good it has done.

 

[Buzzer]

I'm sorry but the sort of juvenile " won't somebody think of the children" reactions of the likes of Hovagirl are exactly the sort of crap wheeled out by nationalists in the fromer yugoslavia. Gilmour junior is a bit of a tit, but he quite obviously didn't consciously decide to desecrate a the war memorial. His worse crime is not thinking at all, which is hardly a surprise caught up in the crowd as he and the demonstrators were. It's not exactly a hanging offense.

Agreed. But by the same token, I also don't think that honouring one's war dead (when the wars are just) necessarily equates to jingoism.

 

[HovaGirl]

Not as ignorant as you obviously.

Right, you must be one of the trolls. I'm new here and didn't realise.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

If you really thought that he did it in ignorance, then you are more naive than I thought. His solicitor would have prepared a statement for the press making him out to be some 'innocent' who made a mistake.

 

[HovaGirl]

Exactly, a fairly part of the reason we entered WWI, WWII, The Falklands Conflict and the first Gulf War, were largely due to extreme nationalism and occupation of other countries...to compare that with the Balkans is quite frankly insane.

Indeed, and the conflicts in The Balkans was the start of WWI.

 

[Biscuit]

I think it was a foolish thing to do because a) it's disrespectful and b) it's stopped people talking about tuition fee rises.

But I think people are reading too much into this and I don't think the language some people are using (on both sides of the argument) is helping matters. Calm down please!

 

[Biscuit]

Indeed, and the conflicts in The Balkans was the start of WWI.

Which was a war that should have never happened.

What were we talking about again?

 

[HovaGirl]

Which was a war that should have never happened.

What were we talking about again?

No war should ever happen. But they do.

 

[Buzzer]

Sorry you think that, but I've never thought of myself as 'spectactular' or for that matter spectacular. I think the language people are using is tidious. Sorry you didn't like my jibe at the Mail readers, but my respect for a paper and a readership that flirted with facism in the 30's isn't too high I'm afraid.

I think everyone is hugely over reacting and I think some of it isn't out of disgust but out of party politics. Sure, he shouldn't have climbed the Cenotaph, but I'm with Notters -

The Daily Mail jibes are lazy. I hate the newspaper. Always have done but I get tarred as a DM reader because of ignorant stereotyping by people such as yourself. What that student wasnt a hanging offence but it was offensive. I'm not over-reacting when I say that and I reckon you're completely wrong if you think that only people of a certain political persuasion found that so.

 

[Biscuit]

No war should ever happen. But they do.

I couldn't agree more with you.

 

[Muhammad - I’m hard - Bruce Lee]

i find it hard to post on these subjects without coming over as being 'oooo LOOK AT ME'....i really do hope i forget about this thread by the time i get back from the pub.
me + beer + seeing certain posts by absolute COCKS = infractions/bannings.
my only wish, is that none of you ever have to stand at a memorial service with the memories i have going round in my head......going round in YOURS

 

[Biscuit]

The Daily Mail jibes are lazy. I hate the newspaper. Always have done but I get tarred as a DM reader because of ignorant stereotyping by people such as yourself.

Yes, it was lazy. All stereotypes are.

What that student wasnt a hanging offence but it was offensive.

I totally, totally agree. Which is what I have been saying. Easily stereotyped with my lazy effort about the Daily Mail being reactionary.

I'm not over-reacting when I say that and I reckon you're completely wrong if you think that only people of a certain political persuasion found that so.

I think you would find people of all political persuasions reading all types of paper, but I think you'd agree that the majority of people reading any paper would tend to agree with its political stance.

 

[smudge]

Fetishising the celebration of our glorious war heroes is intrinsically nationalistic. I''ve had to sit and listen to crass lectures from Serbs and Croats and Albanians who were trying to justify ethnic cleansing, and you know what a lot of their arguments involve the glorious defenders of the nation whose memories must be protected by driving women children and the elderly from their homes with a healthy dose of rape and murder, so you know I have a low tolerence level on these kind of things.

You are really going too far today, now be a good boy & give it a break. Your spelling gives away your poor attempt at intelligence.

 

[Simster]

The Daily Mail jibes are lazy. I hate the newspaper. Always have done but I get tarred as a DM reader because of ignorant stereotyping by people such as yourself. What that student wasnt a hanging offence but it was offensive. I'm not over-reacting when I say that and I reckon you're completely wrong if you think that only people of a certain political persuasion found that so.

This. You know biscuit, it really isn't clever to simply point out that all he did was climb on a memorial. Everybody knows what he did, and that it isn't the worst crime in the world, but it should be recognised that this is extremely offensive to many decent people in this country, and furthermore, that it is entirely understandable by everybody else why it might be considered so.

 

[Biscuit]

This. You know biscuit, it really isn't clever to simply point out that all he did was climb on a memorial. Everybody knows what he did, and that it isn't the worst crime in the world, but it should be recognised that this is extremely offensive to many decent people in this country, and furthermore, that it is entirely understandable by everybody else why it might be considered so.

And if you read anything I said, you'd see I'm in agreement with you! Go check it out, I've said it's a stupid and disrespectful thing to do but I also think people are making it into something it isn't.

 

[life on mars 73]

There aren't any people inside Auschwitz anymore. But I think we'd all feel pretty sick if a bunch of guys started pissing around there, acting in a disrespectful manner - surely ?

 

[Biscuit]

There aren't any people inside Auschwitz anymore. But I think we'd all feel pretty sick if a bunch of guys started pissing around there, acting in a disrespectful manner - surely ?

I'd hope so, yes.