[Travel] Cars and congestion

[Motogull]

The other girl girl has succumbed to her injuries now. 8 years old. Two of them. Such a terrible a tragic outcome. I hope neither suffered.

 

[Stat Brother]

We’ve probably discussed this before … what can change this from happening?

I can’t think of anything proactive, the x percent of scum who don’t care about their fellow man/woman/child, will always be that way.

I can only think of mandatory sentencing (time served) akin to the worst manslaughter offences. If more serious eg driving dangerously at high speed and/or under drugs whilst people are about and killing someone, then sentencing similar to non-pre med murder. Even thicko’s are affected by deterrents, it keeps a lid on society.

It's not just the sentencing it's our entire relationship with cars and that's not changing any time soon, no matter how many little children are killed.

 

[Weststander]

It's not just the sentencing it's our entire relationship with cars and that's not changing any time soon, no matter how many little children are killed.

I know exactly what you mean, some other enlightened nations or cities show what can be done. The car isn’t king, drivers aren’t entitled to supremacy because ….. yawn …. they pay duties and VED.

In the practical world of now and the UK, away from opportunities in some urban areas, so taking the whole including dangerous rural roads …. I put drivers into two categories. The sensible.. They might own an SUV, they might not, the lump of tin isn’t the issue. Then the cnts using roads as an hilarious racetrack, or the vain refusing to wear specs, or folk checking up on facebook whilst driving. In the here and now, politicians must tackle these stubborn idiots.

 

[zefarelly]

A lot of people talk the talk, until they get behind the wheel, then instantly become considerably more important, and rushed, and impatient, than anything else on the planet.

I blame Thatcher, if she hadn't hoodwinked the peasants into thinking they're middle classed, they'd still be walking/cycling . . . . . And half fit, and living to a penionable age . . . Ahhh . . . the master plan!

 

[Stat Brother]

I know exactly what you mean, some other enlightened nations or cities show what can be done. The car isn’t king, drivers aren’t entitled to supremacy because ….. yawn …. they pay duties and VED.

In the practical world of now and the UK, away from opportunities in some urban areas, so taking the whole including dangerous rural roads …. I put drivers into two categories. The sensible.. They might own an SUV, they might not, the lump of tin isn’t the issue. Then the cnts using roads as an hilarious racetrack, or the vain refusing to wear specs, or folk checking up on facebook whilst driving. In the here and now, politicians must tackle these stubborn idiots.

No I don't see that at all, that's just an easy 'it won't happen to me cos I'm a great driver' cop out.

For me, most (I ought to write all, but that only discredits the point) cars are too big, too powerful, too safe for the occupiers.

There's no division of safe and unsafe, no young v middle aged v old drivers.

There are just cars, lots of cars, a high percentage are not fit for purpose, most purposes of which are not fit for cars, but a national transport infrastructure based almost solely on single occupancy transport.

None of that's going to change.
You only have to look at this thread to see car culture large as life and completely selfish.
There's a 1001 justifications for making the 2 mile journey.
'comedy' quips when asked to not drive.
Then when one of the once a week child killings has actually made it into mainstream media it's - 'a child has died how can you write that now'.

We're no better than The US is with guns, a country who has a bigger problem with cars.

Everyone that owns a car has the potential to kill with their car.

Answers are out there but not only aren't people doing anything about it, myself included, others from the government to 'bloke next door' are actively encouraging it.

 

[Weststander]

No I don't see that at all, that's just an easy 'it won't happen to me cos I'm a great driver' cop out.

For me, most (I ought to write all, but that only discredits the point) cars are too big, too powerful, too safe for the occupiers.

There's no division of safe and unsafe, no young v middle aged v old drivers.

There are just cars, lots of cars, a high percentage are not fit for purpose, most purposes of which are not fit for cars, but a national transport infrastructure based almost solely on single occupancy transport.

None of that's going to change.
You only have to look at this thread to see car culture large as life and completely selfish.
There's a 1001 justifications for making the 2 mile journey.
'comedy' quips when asked to not drive.
Then when one of the once a week child killings has actually made it into mainstream media it's - 'a child has died how can you write that now'.

We're no better than The US is with guns, a country who has a bigger problem with cars.

Everyone that owns a car has the potential to kill with their car.

Answers are out there but not only aren't people doing anything about it, myself included, others from the government to 'bloke next door' are actively encouraging it.

I believe in governments making macro decisions to give alternatives to car journeys. Public transport, new trams and light railways … it’s not fanciful, I’ve seen fantastic, busy systems on the continent. Subsidised bus services on rural routes.

The carrot.

 

[Weststander]

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[BrightonCottager]

Remember that talk on nsc a few weeks ago of a progressive alliance, from those unknowing that the Greens and Labour parties despise each other. Well.

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The Greens wouldn't have got these charges through without support from Labour at the time. It seems the new Labour administration is actually a transport dinosaur - they've also 'paused' the final phase of the Victoria Gardens scheme and the new cycle lane on the A259 in Hove, thereby jeopardising future funding from Active Travel England.

 

[Stat Brother]

The Greens wouldn't have got these charges through without support from Labour at the time. It seems the new Labour administration is actually a transport dinosaur - they've also 'paused' the final phase of the Victoria Gardens scheme and the new cycle lane on the A259 in Hove, thereby jeopardising future funding from Active Travel England.

Which just makes absolutely no sense at all.
But does go some way to explain why 5 deaths a day on our roads is perfectly acceptable.

 

[dsr-burnley]

we've got gears now

Even with gears, 1 in 7 hill is no joke.

 

[Weststander]

The Greens wouldn't have got these charges through without support from Labour at the time. It seems the new Labour administration is actually a transport dinosaur - they've also 'paused' the final phase of the Victoria Gardens scheme and the new cycle lane on the A259 in Hove, thereby jeopardising future funding from Active Travel England.

Interesting, thanks. Duplicitous springs to mind.

Do you mean part of Valley Gardens?

 

[Chicken Run]

The Greens wouldn't have got these charges through without support from Labour at the time. It seems the new Labour administration is actually a transport dinosaur - they've also 'paused' the final phase of the Victoria Gardens scheme and the new cycle lane on the A259 in Hove, thereby jeopardising future funding from Active Travel England.

Ahh at last a local authority who listens to the majority of the city residents

 

[Stat Brother]

 

[rogersix]

Even with gears, 1 in 7 hill is no joke.

you soon get used to it, and as an upside, you'll live a bit longer, unless you get killed by a car

 

[BrightonCottager]

Interesting, thanks. Duplicitous springs to mind.

Do you mean part of Valley Gardens?

Yes, sorry, I called it Victoria Gardens on that other thread you helpfully replied to.

 

[Weststander]

Yes, sorry, I called it Victoria Gardens on that other thread you helpfully replied to.

Would love to see it completed.

I'd guess Brighton Labour are claiming the money's needed elsewhere in correcting the mess left by the Greens

 

[mikeyjh]

Christ on a bendy bus, these people aren't safe, the white range rover thing in particular, wtf?

 

[chickens]

Christ on a bendy bus, these people aren't safe, the white range rover thing in particular, wtf?

My guess is that 90% of the people driving new or nearly new cars have them on PCP, still have a lot of credit to pay back on them, and can’t afford replacement wing mirrors on top of the credit repayments.

 

[Stat Brother]

My guess is that 90% of the people driving new or nearly new cars have them on PCP, still have a lot of credit to pay back on them, and can’t afford replacement wing mirrors on top of the credit repayments.

My guess is it's people owning cars too big for their ability to drive on roads too small for the size of car.

 

[dsr-burnley]

you soon get used to it, and as an upside, you'll live a bit longer, unless you get killed by a car

I reckon there comes a time in life where violent exercise in cold, wet weather is worse for you than sitting in a warm car.