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Capello so far...
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I'm not sure, I think the point is it's ambiguous. Great film though, will have to watch it again soon.
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At the moment, I reckon he's a bit of a fish out of water. The language barrier is proving to be a BIG factor I think, and maybe he really is struggling to get his ideas across and build any kind of bond with the bunch of failures he is saddled with.
I welcomed the appointment, but his selections have been hugely disappointing so far as they've hardly been any different (particularly for the Czech game), and I am alarmed at how poor his english is. He's had the job nearly 11 months now - ok, you wouldnt expect him to be fluent yet, but he's nowhere near. How can he get his ideas across properly when he's having to fall back on an interpreter ?
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Maybe he's hoping to get the best out of the players he has already. I mean in theory, Lampard and Gerrard together SHOULD be a mouth-watering pairing. Mourinho when boss of Chelsea tried to buy Gerrard so obviously he thought he could get them working together.
And Sven had Scholes and Gerrard playing together in perfect harmony. It CAN be done, with the right management.
And Sven had Scholes and Gerrard playing together in perfect harmony. It CAN be done, with the right management.
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Absolutely.
By building a bond, I didn't necessarily mean mollycoddling them. But its difficult to build ANY kind of relationship if you've hardly got a clue what the bloke is saying.
Agree.
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It's funny how some of the most decorated managers in europe cant get it right but some bloke with a keyboard who has probably never been paid to kick a ball in his life knows the answers to a better performance.
I speak from empirical evidence and can tell you England are over-rated technically deficient fools who have no pedigree or evidence to suggest they are a european force. How to sort this mess out is anyone's guess.
Silent Bob
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No, no it can't. They are too similar and neither of them are what you need in the middle of the park in international football (as most people who say this also seem to think 4-4-2 is the only formation). If Gerrard had signed for Chelsea it MIGHT have worked, they'd have had Makalele behind them for one thing. Chelsea ended up getting Essien so that was better for them anyway.
The problem with Gerrard and Lampard is that they both want to attack, Gerrard isn't even a midfielder really, his best football is in the final third, Lampard can play slightly more reserved but it's not really his true role. You need a midfielder who actually plays in the middle of the field, who picks up the ball, is always available for a pass, and always makes a good pass, someone who dictates the tempo of the game - all good international teams have at least one. Italy have Pirlo, Spain have Senna AND Xavi (plus Alonso), Germany have Frings (also Ballack who is a far more intelligent player than Gerrard or Lampard), Croatia have Kovac and Modric, Brazil have Gilberto, Argentina have Cambiasso, etc. Many of them also play a more defensive ballwinner type alongside them as well (Gattuso, Mascherano and the like), whereas England are lucky if we have ONE player who likes to play predominantly in the middle (unless you count Beckham but that's just because he can't run anymore). It's been a bit better with Barry in there but he can't do it all, also he's nothing special really. Still the difference it made when we actually had a balanced team was remarkable (beating Russia 3-0
). There's only room for one of Gerrard and Lampard, although either would have to even justify that.- Thread starter
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I don't think Danny suggests he knows the answers. He's saying that two of the top-rated (by FOREIGN MANAGERS) midfielders in world football should make for an excellent central midfield. And of course it should.
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No, no it can't. They are too similar and neither of them are what you need in the middle of the park in international football (as most people who say this also seem to think 4-4-2 is the only formation). If Gerrard had signed for Chelsea it MIGHT have worked, they'd have had Makalele behind them for one thing. Chelsea ended up getting Essien so that was better for them anyway.
The problem with Gerrard and Lampard is that they both want to attack, Gerrard isn't even a midfielder really, his best football is in the final third, Lampard can play slightly more reserved but it's not really his true role. You need a midfielder who actually plays in the middle of the field, who picks up the ball, is always available for a pass, and always makes a good pass, someone who dictates the tempo of the game - all good international teams have at least one. Italy have Pirlo, Spain have Senna AND Xavi (plus Alonso), Germany have Frings (also Ballack who is a far more intelligent player than Gerrard or Lampard), Croatia have Kovac and Modric, Brazil have Gilberto, Argentina have Cambiasso, etc. Many of them also play a more defensive ballwinner type alongside them as well (Gattuso, Mascherano and the like), whereas England are lucky if we have ONE player who likes to play predominantly in the middle (unless you count Beckham but that's just because he can't run anymore). It's been a bit better with Barry in there but he can't do it all, also he's nothing special really. Still the difference it made when we actually had a balanced team was remarkable (beating Russia 3-0
Carrick Carrick Carrick Carrick. Give the boy a chance to blossom.
That should be made a sticky, and every time someone says "we've got good players, just look at the Englishmen in the Champions' League final" they should be referred to that post and made to sign that they've read it and more importantly UNDERSTOOD it.No, no it can't. They are too similar and neither of them are what you need in the middle of the park in international football (as most people who say this also seem to think 4-4-2 is the only formation). If Gerrard had signed for Chelsea it MIGHT have worked, they'd have had Makalele behind them for one thing. Chelsea ended up getting Essien so that was better for them anyway.
The problem with Gerrard and Lampard is that they both want to attack, Gerrard isn't even a midfielder really, his best football is in the final third, Lampard can play slightly more reserved but it's not really his true role. You need a midfielder who actually plays in the middle of the field, who picks up the ball, is always available for a pass, and always makes a good pass, someone who dictates the tempo of the game - all good international teams have at least one. Italy have Pirlo, Spain have Senna AND Xavi (plus Alonso), Germany have Frings (also Ballack who is a far more intelligent player than Gerrard or Lampard), Croatia have Kovac and Modric, Brazil have Gilberto, Argentina have Cambiasso, etc. Many of them also play a more defensive ballwinner type alongside them as well (Gattuso, Mascherano and the like), whereas England are lucky if we have ONE player who likes to play predominantly in the middle (unless you count Beckham but that's just because he can't run anymore). It's been a bit better with Barry in there but he can't do it all, also he's nothing special really. Still the difference it made when we actually had a balanced team was remarkable (beating Russia 3-0
I totally agree with Bob that you need a defensive midfielder to sit behind them. I would have Hargreaves personally. Can play a decent pass, sticks to his task, can tackle and is intelligent. However I disagree that Lampard isn't an intelligent footballer. I don't think anyone could play under Jose M and not be. His main problem is he doesn't enforce himself on games. I think this would happen if the system was implemented and enforced. This would then mean that Gerrard would have to play within the system, not do his roy of the rovers bit and run around like a thicky. Beckham needs to be gone. I would have Carrick, Barry and probably Jenas as back ups. It would also mean we could play with 3 attacking players, a central striker with 2 wingers/forwards (like United, Chelsea and Liverpool do).
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We have holding players (Hargreaves) and more intelligent technical players (Barry, Carrick) so this is completely a non-point.
Silent Bob
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I've been wanting him to get a chance for ages as well, if it was up to me I'd have been playing him and Hargreaves together in the last World Cup. Really can't understand why he hasn't been given a chance, especially by Fabio who I thought would be a real departure from Sven/McClaren style team selection.
I half agree with Brovion, I think we have good players but as good or as many as a lot of people seem to think. Especially creative players. But I still do think we could be a good international team, we'd just need to realise that we can't try and play like the top sides can. But if Greece can win the Euros by playing a system that suits them and knowing it inside out than there has to be hope for us (not that we should play like Greece
), I thought Capello would be the man to realise that but it doesn't seem like it at the moment.
Garry Nelson's Left Foot
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Herr Tubthumper, I don't want to be rude (but I guess I'm going to be...) but why are such a repetitious dullard when it comes to England? Your reply has nothing to do with Danny's comment, you just seem to have used it to have another dig at the england team/players (and an unwarranted one at danny). Can you not just give it a rest? Please.
Barnet Seagull
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I'm really disappointed that Ferdinand wasn't made Captain.
Capello should say to him. "Look, you're in charge, you're the playmaker in the team, don't pass to ANY central midfielder until you're at least 40 yrds from the opposition goal and don't let any other of you're defenders do so either." "If Gerrard wants it by the half way line, tell him to f*** off"
Then you'll need clever, quick footed and inventive footballers who can operate in the last 3rd and create openings.
Carrick, Bentley and Joe Cole should be the first names on that team-sheet.
Capello should say to him. "Look, you're in charge, you're the playmaker in the team, don't pass to ANY central midfielder until you're at least 40 yrds from the opposition goal and don't let any other of you're defenders do so either." "If Gerrard wants it by the half way line, tell him to f*** off"
Then you'll need clever, quick footed and inventive footballers who can operate in the last 3rd and create openings.
Carrick, Bentley and Joe Cole should be the first names on that team-sheet.
Why is it a non-point? Every time we lose (or scrape a draw) there is this complete inability to recognise that, shock horror, other countries have good players too - or at the very least have a good TEAM (another point entirely). All we hear is we've got the players, they're the envy of the world, look at the Champions' League final, they're wanted by all the top clubs, they'd walk into any other team, etc etc etc. Yes they ARE good, but they're all so much of a muchness; we sit hear arguing about Lampard, Gerrard, Cole, Carrick etc when there's bugger all difference between them. Oh for a Gascoine, a Scholes or an Ince.
andybaha
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I don't know what the answer is to getting a decent England team, or even if it's possible. Unfortunately I don't think Capello knows either, the difference is that he's being paid £6m a year to come up with the answers.
The team Sven used in the 2006 World Cup was stale and lacked flair. McClaren picked virtually the same team and it still lacked any flair. The only good thing he did was get shot of Beckham.
Now Capello is still using the same nucleus of players plus Beckham and low and behold they still don't look like a team of world beaters.
I wish he had been a bit more adventurous in the friendly games giving players like Walcott and Agbonlahor a bit of a run out. I wish he had tried a few of the journeymen like Bullard, Nolan, Parker in the friendlies. Let's face it they couldn't be any worse than whats there at the moment.
I think a B-team would be a good idea, it might give players like Bobby Zamora and Kevin Davies who probably think their chances of playing for England have passed the chance to show what they can do.
The team Sven used in the 2006 World Cup was stale and lacked flair. McClaren picked virtually the same team and it still lacked any flair. The only good thing he did was get shot of Beckham.
Now Capello is still using the same nucleus of players plus Beckham and low and behold they still don't look like a team of world beaters.
I wish he had been a bit more adventurous in the friendly games giving players like Walcott and Agbonlahor a bit of a run out. I wish he had tried a few of the journeymen like Bullard, Nolan, Parker in the friendlies. Let's face it they couldn't be any worse than whats there at the moment.
I think a B-team would be a good idea, it might give players like Bobby Zamora and Kevin Davies who probably think their chances of playing for England have passed the chance to show what they can do.