Capello has to go NOW

[westy]

Capello won't get sacked until we are shit in the Euros. And we will be...

Too true. We are DIRE. If Harry wasnt next in line id want him gone now, but obv that wouldnt be great news for Albion..

 

[westy]

Capello has lost the plot for a few reasons that I can think off from the top of my head;
- he's unable to motivate the players. Maybe this shouldn't be necessary, but it's plain to see that the current batch are scared to play at Wembley; it's his job to sort that out
- his tactics are incredibly hit-and-miss; I could have told him that playing Lampard and Milner in a midfield 3 was never going to work
- he seems unwilling/unable to look long-term, and has stuck by the established players for too long to the detriment of the next manager

Great post. Anyone who sticks up for him should think about these points. His flaws have been exposed for all to see yet he still holds on to the top job in English football.

 

[Falkor]

i cant see harry getting the Job he has a major court case hanging over his head were he has a chance of being sent to prison, i just cant see England taking the risk.

Capello has said he will leave after the Euros, we should not sack him before then, as a manager wont be able to change things in time, and we will have to pay him compo

 

[Phat Baz 68]

If Redknapp goes there will be a vacancy at Spurs.. careful what you wish for!!

Dont worry Gus is going nowhere !!!

 

[Pantani]

Once again I gave England another chance, mainly because Rooney is in such great form so far this season and I wanted to see him play. What a mistake, they just seemed to go through the motions, the first twenty minutes in Wales we blew them away, we should have gone right at them again but no we just ambled around passing with no purpose before an aimless hoof up the pitch to Rooney. When we finally got the ball and passed it for a sustained period we scored, it really is that simple but this England side lack the intelligence to see it.

As I always say on these England threads, I wish I had stuck by what I said post the Algeria game in the WC. That was the single worst England performance I have ever seen, the passing was non league level and the intelligence in the play was even worse than that. I said I would never watch England again then and this time I mean it.

 

[bobby smith]

I was at the game last nite, it was indeed dire, why Fat Frank was playing i will never know, to me he seems to be a yard off the pace at that level, and costantly looking around as if he didnt know where to be most of the time, i concentrated on watching him for several sections of the game, and in my humble opinion he looked CLUELESS

 

[The Large One]

So do Spain, Germany, Holland etc play more games than England and have more training time?

Nope. But then Spanish, German and Dutch footballers are taught from their formative years onwards how to play football properly.

 

[Simster]

Nope. But then Spanish, German and Dutch footballers are taught from their formative years onwards how to play football properly.

This is not anecdotal, this is a fact. Spain and Germany both have ten times as many qualified coaches as we do whereas our football is run by well meaning volunteers. I'm fairly sure that aggressive parents on the sidelines don't help matters, but I don't honestly know whether this is something that these other 3 countries have to deal with.

 

[El Presidente]

Nope. But then Spanish, German and Dutch footballers are taught from their formative years onwards how to play football properly.

Spot on.

Only 2,769 English coaches hold Uefa's B, A and Pro badges, Spain has 23,995, Italy 29,420 and Germany 34,790.

Nuff said?

 

[Driver8]

Nope. But then Spanish, German and Dutch footballers are taught from their formative years onwards how to play football properly.

Exactly. This "not getting together enough to gel" excuse just doesn't hold water. If the teams on the premiership played football the Gus way the players would all be on the same wavelength and be able to slot in to any team playing the same way.

Unfortunately the premiership is glorified hoof ball and Capello cannot make the team play properly as the players cannot adjust. Hoof ball does not work against the better international teams as we continually find out when we come across one.

 

[northernblue]

I was at the game last nite, it was indeed dire, why Fat Frank was playing i will never know, to me he seems to be a yard off the pace at that level, and costantly looking around as if he didnt know where to be most of the time, i concentrated on watching him for several sections of the game, and in my humble opinion he looked CLUELESS

'Fat Frank' as you call him was one of the better players last night and was playing in a team that lacked movement and imagination which is something he is not used to! He is still a class above any other midfielders that were available last night but like other England players, he doesn't have the freedom or confidence to be creative for England! When you say he was 'constantly looking around' and describe it as 'clueless' he actually doing what every world class player does by constantly looking over his shoulder to see where the space is and where the next pass is, just like every other world class midfielder if you watch them!

On the coaching point I came across an interesting article about this and why the English game is struggling...The Study of English Football | Just Football | The Players Net

 

[The Large One]

Exactly. This "not getting together enough to gel" excuse just doesn't hold water. If the teams on the premiership played football the Gus way the players would all be on the same wavelength and be able to slot in to any team playing the same way.

Unfortunately the premiership is glorified hoof ball and Capello cannot make the team play properly as the players cannot adjust. Hoof ball does not work against the better international teams as we continually find out when we come across one.

Even that is slightly over-simplifying things.

It's also about what you do when you don't have the ball - and that has been England's undoing as well. Point in case - Germany v England in South Africa. Even Poyet has to go back to basics with Brighton's defence sometimes.

 

[Simster]

I don't agree that the Premiership is glorified hoof-ball at all. The top 4 or 5 teams are quite far from that, which is why they absolutely RUIN every other team in the league. But equally, those top teams have only a handful of England players between them.

As for Lampard, I've always found him a far more intelligent footballer than he is given credit for. No 40 yard hollywood diagonal passes from him, no mysterious injuries either. He keeps the ball, he plays it simple, but is less effective in an England team full of retards and becoming less effective for Chelsea as he gets older.

 

[mikeyjh]

All the talk about the players lacking the basics etc etc, I don't quite buy. Wales look comfortable enough controlling and passing the ball around second half, do they have different coaches and upbrining?? Nope. Gary Speed has about 20 games experience as a manager and has (in general) lesser players better organised and knowing their roles. England played without a method, plan or clue. You can re-spout media BS about lack of coaches and basic skills if you like but the skills are there, the talent is there, the managment isn't. The FA have made bad choices as manager forever

 

[sten_super]

'Fat Frank' as you call him was one of the better players last night and was playing in a team that lacked movement and imagination which is something he is not used to! He is still a class above any other midfielders that were available last night but like other England players, he doesn't have the freedom or confidence to be creative for England! When you say he was 'constantly looking around' and describe it as 'clueless' he actually doing what every world class player does by constantly looking over his shoulder to see where the space is and where the next pass is, just like every other world class midfielder if you watch them!

The formation (at least the way England try to play it) doesn't suit Lampard, certainly not when he's not got two defensive midfielders behind him. He often found himself a long way forward, and instead of getting the ball as he advanced he was sitting on the edge of the area and either having to backtrack or turn his back to goal to receive a pass from the other midfielders. This then encouraged him to play laterally rather than forwards. He had a poor game but the only thing I would pull him up on is his lack of positional discipline (he may have faired better if he'd been behind the ball rather than always ahead of it), the rest I would say is down to the system they were playing and just the fact that he's not as dynamic as he used to be.

 

[The Large One]

All the talk about the players lacking the basics etc etc, I don't quite buy. Wales look comfortable enough controlling and passing the ball around second half, do they have different coaches and upbrining?? Nope. Gary Speed has about 20 games experience as a manager and has (in general) lesser players better organised and knowing their roles. England played without a method, plan or clue. You can re-spout media BS about lack of coaches and basic skills if you like but the skills are there, the talent is there, the managment isn't. The FA have made bad choices as manager forever

I take your point, but Speed has brought in a (largely) inexperienced team - the captain is only 20 - to mould the players to his way. As has been said before, he only has a short time with them, but all the while they are youngsters, it is easier to get them out of (for want of a better term) bad habits than it does out of a journeyman.

The Welsh were doing the basics - passing, moving etc - (something some English managers still haven't learned), but without too much incisive play. That's where you need the quality to come in and become effective.

 

[mikeyjh]

I take your point, but Speed has brought in a (largely) inexperienced team - the captain is only 20 - to mould the players to his way. As has been said before, he only has a short time with them, but all the while they are youngsters, it is easier to get them out of (for want of a better term) bad habits than it does out of a journeyman.

The Welsh were doing the basics - passing, moving etc - (something some English managers still haven't learned), but without too much incisive play. That's where you need the quality to come in and become effective.

Good points - If they had some more 'final third' quality, we'd have been in deep doo doo last night.

 

[sten_super]

I take your point, but Speed has brought in a (largely) inexperienced team - the captain is only 20 - to mould the players to his way. As has been said before, he only has a short time with them, but all the while they are youngsters, it is easier to get them out of (for want of a better term) bad habits than it does out of a journeyman.

The Welsh were doing the basics - passing, moving etc - (something some English managers still haven't learned), but without too much incisive play. That's where you need the quality to come in and become effective.

But, TLO, doesn't that support the idea that in fact it is the managers fault, rather than an endemic problem? If Capello was a bit more far-sighted (he looks no further than his next paycheque as far as I can see) then he'd have bought in a load of young players and trained them up in playing decent football. I find it absolutely amazing that Lampard, who has no future for England beyond this summer, is still in the squad in place of a young up-and-coming English player who could benefit from spending time around the squad.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So do Spain, Germany, Holland etc play more games than England and have more training time?

Germany have a lot less first team games. They have a smaller league and only one domestic cup. The Bundeliga only schedule a single mid-week league game in each half of the season so the games are also nice and evenly spaced out. They also have a 4-6 week break in the winter.

When I watched Hertha play they were knocked out of the cup early and were not in europe. The Hertha captain and German international defender Arne Freidrich could only have played a maximum of 35 competitive games for Hertha that season. These would have been evenly spaced, a week apart, and he had a 6 week lay off in the winter.

The Bayern boys play a similar number of games to their UK counterparts as they go far in all the competitions but I think beyond them other players play less. Maybe someone can dig up the number of games the players who took part in the recent 4-1 world cup game played prior to the tournament? I'd be interested to check my theory.

 

[The Large One]

But, TLO, doesn't that support the idea that in fact it is the managers fault, rather than an endemic problem? If Capello was a bit more far-sighted (he looks no further than his next paycheque as far as I can see) then he'd have bought in a load of young players and trained them up in playing decent football. I find it absolutely amazing that Lampard, who has no future for England beyond this summer, is still in the squad in place of a young up-and-coming English player who could benefit from spending time around the squad.

I think the problems are many and various, and cannot be resolved by the removal or appointment of one person.

A lot of people judge England matches by fire, passion, guts, determination etc, not by possession, intelligence, cleverness. Opposing fans see Brighton's style of play as 'boring' and 'selfish'. f*** it, they see Spain's football like that. This is how I feel Capello is being judged.

I saw snatches of England playing a more patient, possession-led style of football - the sort that Capello won trophies with. Capello has brought some younger players in, and at times they were playing some good passing football. This is work in progress, having seen that some of previous players under his management time have been one-pace, one-setting donkey airheads.

For everyone calling for Capello's head - have they considered that what problems there are will not go away (assuming he is the core problem in the first place) the moment he is sacked?