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Capello has to go NOW



vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,273
"Er, how did Spurs do last year in The Champions League ?.. Harry was shown up a little there ?"


Qualified from there group, personally I would imagine most Spurs fans would have taken that at the start of their qualifying game. IMO the England manager needs to be someone that can get these over paid prima donnas motivated as I don't believe they need coaching at that level. At the moment I don't see any of the players enjoying playing for the Italian idiot. Harry would get the players playing for him and England.

Yes he did qualify from a very weak group, but was unable to perform on two fronts thus failing to get in to the Champions League this season. He lacks international experience and even if he had a magic blueprint for playing attacking flair football AND getting results, he has to use English players to do it ! Ergo, we get another Bloemfontaine
 






Falkor

Banned
Jun 3, 2011
5,673
Give a million ponds! He could then enjoy a spot of fishing in his retirement!

and what happens when the new manager comes in and we dont get past the quarters and you will be shouting its the managers fault like the fans have done for the past f***ing 10 years, wake up and smell the cake man, were not very good were not world beaters and we wont be for years to come, do you wanna know who to blame, blame the bloody premier league ffs for all the foreign players they bring in and destroy the development of good english youth talent
 




TottonSeagull

Well-known member
Mar 5, 2011
4,580
Totton (Nr Southampton)
Well if you think that you can take a bunch of top players from a domestic league, throw them together once in a blue moon to play 1 or 2 matches (competitive or friendly) and think that to get them to play well just needs someone to motivate them or to scream and shout at them to get them to play to their full potential then it shows how naive you are.

So tell me what exactly top players learn from an England get together? What exactly does Capello do to enhance the players coz I haven't seen it! I don't think we are world beaters however I would like to see the shirt worn with a bit of pride and passion! How do you get the these players to show there full potential then? Please enlighten my naivety!
 




bn18bloke

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May 28, 2011
70
LA
Wales aren't crap despite their world rankings, both Ramsey and Bale would be in our team tonight and usually against the lesser teams there are literally no decent players at all who would make our side.

Winning and playing badly is usually the sign of a good team. If Brighton win 1-0 you don't turn around and say we were crap etc, you say how well we ground out a result on an off day so why is this completely different for England?

Not sticking up for Capello as such because I don't think he's the best by any means, but people need to lower their expectation levels and stop getting on the players backs, it's this expectation and criticism that must surely have a massive effect on the players, and all of this because we only won 1-0!? Job done in my opinion.

Do you really think Wales would do anything in the Championship...I think not, and yes Capello has got the players, but its painful to watch us just not creating anything
 


Guy Fawkes

The voice of treason
Sep 29, 2007
8,297
How often does any England manager have with his players in order to get them to well play together as a team, a team that knows where the other players are on the pitch, or to be able to anticipate runs etc...

We as a nation seem very opposed to international friendies. The importance of club football means that clubs don't like risking their players in a meaningless game, that players would rather play a meaningful game for their club than play for England and therefore don't perform in an attempt to avoid burn out or injury.

How many times has Capello been able to have the same squad to pick from for each series of matches in the build up to a tournament. If you can't have a settled side that practices together, how can you expect them to play well together, however much they happen to be paid by their clubs?
 


Falkor

Banned
Jun 3, 2011
5,673
So tell me what exactly top players learn from an England get together? What exactly does Capello do to enhance the players coz I haven't seen it! I don't think we are world beaters however I would like to see the shirt worn with a bit of pride and passion! How do you get the these players to show there full potential then? Please enlighten my naivety!

The fact is money talks in football now these players dont care about that shirt any more you only have to read the papers today, when domestic base teams are asking the FA to pay for there players to go on international duty, fact is International football is a dying game sadly no managers incharge of England are to blame for that the only thing ya can blame that for is greed.

Look at Ashton called up for England got injured in training never played football again, players see these risks in going to the national set up and are not willing to put 100% in, there more worried about there pay check than wearing that shirt with pride
 
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bn18bloke

New member
May 28, 2011
70
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hold on a minute, he played a midfield today who can't pass the ball other than sideways. These are supposed world class players that were made to look no better than average by a team that would struggle in the Championship. It has nothing to do with how much time he has them togethor, it has to do with his negative tactics that are based around getting us out of a poor group. It was rubbish to watch.
 


TottonSeagull

Well-known member
Mar 5, 2011
4,580
Totton (Nr Southampton)
and what happens when the new manager comes in and we dont get past the quarters and you will be shouting its the managers fault like the fans have done for the past f***ing 10 years, wake up and smell the cake man, were not very good were not world beaters and we wont be for years to come, do you wanna know who to blame, blame the bloody premier league ffs for all the foreign players they bring in and destroy the development of good english youth talent
NG don't disagree with a lot of what you say, I do not think we are world beaters, however IMO Capello showed in South Africa he has no idea how to handle the players. Yes I agree the EPL is to blame but I still think that performance tonite summed up Capello. After a decent performance in Bulgaria he goes back the likes of Lampard and one up front. In fairness I think me or you could have got England out of this group, the test is at the finals!
 


beefypigeon

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Aug 14, 2008
972
Do you really think Wales would do anything in the Championship...I think not, and yes Capello has got the players, but its painful to watch us just not creating anything

With Bale and Ramsey in the side... quite possibly yeah!? They had 7 premier league players in their side tonight apparently?

Definitely wasn't pretty I'll give you that but it doesn't always need to be. A 1-0 win is usually a hard thought and competitive match and there are bound to be matches like that particularly when teams literally come and park the bus infront of the goal until they concede.
 




Driver8

On the road...
NSC Patron
Jul 31, 2005
16,214
North Wales
How often does any England manager have with his players in order to get them to well play together as a team, a team that knows where the other players are on the pitch, or to be able to anticipate runs etc...

We as a nation seem very opposed to international friendies. The importance of club football means that clubs don't like risking their players in a meaningless game, that players would rather play a meaningful game for their club than play for England and therefore don't perform in an attempt to avoid burn out or injury.

How many times has Capello been able to have the same squad to pick from for each series of matches in the build up to a tournament. If you can't have a settled side that practices together, how can you expect them to play well together, however much they happen to be paid by their clubs?

So do Spain, Germany, Holland etc play more games than England and have more training time?
 


Falkor

Banned
Jun 3, 2011
5,673
hold on a minute, he played a midfield today who can't pass the ball other than sideways. These are supposed world class players that were made to look no better than average by a team that would struggle in the Championship. It has nothing to do with how much time he has them togethor, it has to do with his negative tactics that are based around getting us out of a poor group. It was rubbish to watch.

imo we dont have more than 3 world class players in that team
 


bn18bloke

New member
May 28, 2011
70
LA
we just never looked like breaking them down, so creative players in there at all, and thank christ earnshaw couldn't hit a barn door otherwise it could have been really shite.
 








bn18bloke

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May 28, 2011
70
LA
I just can't believe that I expect anything else when watching us under Capello. Its just rubbish.
At least Rednap would put a team out to have a go, not that he will ever be the England Manager
 


vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,273
You can pick any name you want out of the air to be England manager, the players will do enough to qualify with a scare or two along the way. We will scrape out of our group stage in 2nd place and then lose within the next two knockout rounds when we meet a team that can pass and retain possession.

There will be a call for a new manager, either switching from a european manager to a english manager or vica versa, there will be a call for new blood and gifted youngsters to be given a go. Then we re-build from the previous disaster by qualifing from our group, with a scare or two along the way.....:facepalm:
 




beefypigeon

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Aug 14, 2008
972
imo we dont have more than 3 world class players in that team

I'd go with Rooney, Cole, Terry and Hart myself. Although Hart hasn't fully proved it yet he is exceptional and has completely resolved that goalkeeping crisis we had not so long ago.

Add to that possibly Gerrard, Ferdinand and potentially Wilshire in a couple of years. I'd say all the above players are up there with the best in their position in the world.
 




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