[Albion] Can you have your own style of play with bottom 6 players?

[Icy Gull]

Play Hughtonball and scrape survival or play Potterball and scrape survival. Option 2 for me every time

We are fecking paupers at this level and will always struggle. Top 10 my arse

 

[Springal]

Burnley have a style.

I'm getting bored with all this different ways of attacking Potter. If you turn the clock back two years, there were loads of posters, saying I'd rather the team got relegated than suffer this ultra defensive approach under CH. We want to see an attractive style of football. Well you've now got it, but it's still not good enough.

I'm starting to believe if we won every game 5-0 a lot of our fans would be moaning that we should have scored 8 every week.

Is this football attractive ? I don’t think it is. Loads of meaningless possession, but hardly free flowing football, loads of pace, little passes etc.

It’s extremely predictable

 

[zefarelly]

Yes of course you can, you just draw most of your games or lose.

 

[zefarelly]

Is this football attractive ? I don’t think it is. Loads of meaningless possession, but hardly free flowing football, loads of pace, little passes etc.

It’s extremely predictable

As I said the other day, we'de be better off, and I think most of us would be happier, if we'd lost a few 4 or 5 -0 and won a few . . . We'd be comfortably mid table, like Palace, Leeds, Newcastle . . .we're arguably better than them, but playing the wrong football. It's not that we want to be playing bad football, but the idea is to win, not fanny around looking nice without getting humiliated.

 

[Swansman]

Is this football attractive ? I don’t think it is. Loads of meaningless possession, but hardly free flowing football, loads of pace, little passes etc.

It’s extremely predictable

Loads of created chances, nice little 1-2s between the strikers and players going forward challenging their opponents. Pretty attractive to me, but "attractive" is of course very subjective.

 

[Machiavelli]

A bit of a touchy one this as it might be seen as criticising TB's master plan when it's his money. But it is just a question I've posed to a couple of other people today and wondered what NSC thought.

Can you have a top to bottom club "good" style when your player budget is at the low end of the scale or do you need "top top players" in your first team?

To consider:
Are styles of play for your actual Liverpool and Man Citys?
Should good coaching always outweigh predictability?
Can Spurs say they have benefitted from Mourinho's toughening up? Or are the likes of Sheffield Utd, Burnley and, dare I say, Palace just as predictable?

Yes. We do. Why not?

 

[BNthree]

Potter's style is fine, but the strikers aren't good enough. I feel the defenders will sort themselves out eventually.

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Should Potter be taking the strikers into account and playing to their strengths rather than persisting with his own style?

 

[Springal]

Potter signed Maupay for almost club record (I do think he is good - just on a bad run of form), Welbeck, judged to give Connolly a first team spot rather than loan, and shipped out Murray, Locadia & Andone. So really after 1.5 seasons our attacking abilities do sit at his door

 

[Silverhatch]

Potter signed Maupay for almost club record (I do think he is good - just on a bad run of form), Welbeck, judged to give Connolly a first team spot rather than loan, and shipped out Murray, Locadia & Andone. So really after 1.5 seasons our attacking abilities do sit at his door

Potter didn’t (and doesn’t) sign anyone. The technical director and the recruitment team will identify targets. Potter as head coach will have input into that process. Andone was a target b4 Potter arrived. Murray’s departure was sanctioned by Club and Potter.

 

[Springal]

Potter didn’t (and doesn’t) sign anyone. The technical director and the recruitment team will identify targets. Potter as head coach will have input into that process. Andone was a target b4 Potter arrived. Murray’s departure was sanctioned by Club and Potter.

But he has a say right? So signed off £16M on Maupay, and like I say he sanctioned Murray & Andone going etc.

 

[The Fits]

Don't suppose Murray would make any difference this season.

 

[Weststander]

Burnley have a style.

I'm getting bored with all this different ways of attacking Potter. If you turn the clock back two years, there were loads of posters, saying I'd rather the team got relegated than suffer this ultra defensive approach under CH. We want to see an attractive style of football. Well you've now got it, but it's still not good enough.

I'm starting to believe if we won every game 5-0 a lot of our fans would be moaning that we should have scored 8 every week.

Probably the same posters

 

[neilbard]

I enjoyed the game today. We had most of the game against a top 10 side and came away with an away draw.

Today Liverpool were shut out by a team below us who approached the game much as Sheffield United approached their game againts us. Klopp out?

I didn't really understand the OP's question on first read, and I'm none the wiser after reading the replies. Was it something like 'would we have more points if we played more cynically?' or was it more nuanced? I don't know. I'm not sure if I really even want to know.

Anyway, when folk on another thread think we were shitehouse today and we should 'get rid' (of what? Hope? Reason?) I can't help feeling that some are getting all a bit unneccessary. If they think Potter should be replaced, now, why not just say so? Mount a campaign

I hope the pizza delivery converor belt hasn't frozen for Christmas, Swanny

I didn't really understand the OP's question on all reads, we came away with an away draw against a well below par West Ham side. Moyes out...

First half, pass for the sake of it, hypnotic bullshit, second half, as usual can't hold onto a lead. Potter out...

 

[Guinness Boy]

Yes. We do. Why not?

Why not? If your style of play is easier for your opponents to counter than it is for you to convert at the business ends, then you may not get the results that style “deserves”.

I suspect a better question would have been “should the style suit the players or the players suit the style?”


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[raymondo]

I concur
pinging the passes rather than rolling them might just also help to increase the tempo and have an overall positive effect on the transition part of attacking forward play
I seem to recall Crouchy on his podcast mentioning Gerard absolutely fizzing passes at him in training when he first joined Liverpool
In a this is what’s expected get used to it way

Yep, Crouchy did say that. But... do we have many/any players who can fizz the ball with speed and precision...and many players who can control such a pass. I'm not sure we have at the moment, so maybe Potter has got us playing within our current limits

 

[BadFish]

I see that this style of play is currently as likely to see us safe as it is to send us down.

Still a work in progress for me with issues that need to be ironed out.

No need to throw the towel in on the long term plan quite yet. Certainly not without an alternative plan on place (that doesn't involve phoning Tony Pulis et al)

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[Simster]

I think the style is fine, but actually watching it today I was amazed at how slowly we move the ball - we're passing to a man in space, sure, but we roll the ball towards him so slowly and gently that the opposition have all the time in the world to close him down before the ball gets to him.
There is also a fine line to be drawn between playing out from the back and fannying around at the back - and we're slightly the wrong side of that line, IMHO, of course.

I like these observations, there is a lot of truth in what you say. The only thing I'd say is that I don't think it's that much of an issue. We simply have to start defending set pieces adequately, because it's that problem that is a reason we are in a relegation scrap, not the fact that we roll the ball slowly along our back 4. In fact, given that the opposition can't score when we have the ball, I'd be happy to carry on like that because our opponents never seem to need much possession to create chances to score.

 

[Machiavelli]

I see that this style of play is currently as likely to see us safe as it is to send us down.

Still a work in progress for me with issues that need to be ironed out.

No need to throw the towel in on the long term plan quite yet. Certainly not without an alternative plan on place (that doesn't involve phoning Tony Pulis et al)

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This just about sums it up for me.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I didn't really understand the OP's question on all reads, we came away with an away draw against a well below par West Ham side. Moyes out...

First half, pass for the sake of it, hypnotic bullshit, second half, as usual can't hold onto a lead. Potter out...

Neilbard OUT!!!

 

[Justice]

It would be nice to properly discuss our football unfortunately the majority on here seem incapable without throwing insults. The style of play is one thing the obvious lack of motivation is another and probably standing out as the most concerning. We have a few players giving 100% yet there a few that aren’t anywhere near.

Every Albion team I’ve seen promoted have had something special about it, gone have the pre match huddles, gone when he was playing Maty Ryan steaming up the pitch to celebrate a goal with his team mates. Somethings missing and it’s costing us. I don’t even think this squad believes they can win another game they didn’t even look that disappointed when the equaliser went in almost as it was expected to happen at some point.

Potter can coach tactics all he wants although until he gets unity back in the squad we aren’t going anywhere fast and in for a proper bumpy ride.