Burma

[Timbo]

Military getting ready to wipe out any protest again. Does anyone know why we haven't gone wading into Burma yet?

(cough*no oil*cough)

 

[robbied69]

same reason as Zimbabwe (cough *no oil* cough)

 

[Timbo]

Or maybe its because the Americans haven't told us to yet?

 

[Nibble]

Money and Oil.

 

[Mr Blobby]

Mainly because the Burma dictatorship will have the 100% backing of China! (oh and also because there is no oil involved!)

 

[Nibble]

To add to that it is not purely that there is no oil. It is also to do with the fact that Burma holds no real significance to America as a stronghold for their power axis. When USA decides that area may be a threat to their dominance of world finance they may go in. More likely they would go in as NATO or other peacekeeping force. Enforce a police state under the guise of security and add another region to their expanding Empire.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Gurkhas?

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

I'll stick with the pickled onions thanks.

 

[Questions]

I think maybe one of the reasons that no-one will interfere is that nobody gives a f*** about a few slitty eyed, sandal wearing monks who dont even brew beer.

All proper monks make either beer or strong liquor.

 

[Eastleigh Seagull]

Cough - Burma has massive natural resources including the largest natural gas deposits in SE Asia. The reason why no-one has gone in is that the dictatorship is backed by India and China and that ASEAN which said it will deal with the issue has no balls.

 

[Nibble]

Cough - Burma has massive natural resources including the largest natural gas deposits in SE Asia. The reason why no-one has gone in is that the dictatorship is backed by India and China and that ASEAN which said it will deal with the issue has no balls.

In that case you can bet that USA will be going in sometime soon or at least NATO or UN to take advantage of those resources.

 

[Eastleigh Seagull]

Good god - the US cant do anything right can they, they have stayed out of this to try and allow the region to sort the issue. How about giving China and India a bit of grief for maintaining a repressive military dictatorship that ship vast quantities of drugs around the world, keeps a Nobel Peace Prize winner locked up and on an annual basis kills its people? All so that they can get a small slice of the action. And if the military stay in power then Burma is next on the list to go nuclear - with Chinese help.

 

[Cian]

All proper monks make either beer or strong liquor.

Or Buckfast.

 

[Questions]

Or Buckfast.

Ah a Buckfast Bison.....................


Equal measures of Buckfast and Zubrowska Bison grass vodka poured over crushed ice.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

I thought it was now called Mynamar? Anyway from what I can understand the Monks held in very high esteem, and if any direct action is taken against them by the Military, then this would be taken extremley badly by the people. Isn't there some opposition leader (lady?) who's been underhouse arrest for about 10 years + - where is she in all of this?

 

[Nibble]

Good god - the US cant do anything right can they, they have stayed out of this to try and allow the region to sort the issue. How about giving China and India a bit of grief for maintaining a repressive military dictatorship that ship vast quantities of drugs around the world, keeps a Nobel Peace Prize winner locked up and on an annual basis kills its people? All so that they can get a small slice of the action. And if the military stay in power then Burma is next on the list to go nuclear - with Chinese help.

The US do plenty right. In fact they rarely make a mistake. Everything they wish to acheive for themselves is usually carried out with extreme precision. This is why they have such extended powers. It just looks like a bloody mess to the rest of the world.

 

[Eastleigh Seagull]

The country was renamed Myanmar by the military leadership - the same group who have moved the 'capital' to a purpose built fortified city in the middle of the jungle, perhaps in preparation for such an uprising. Generally in political circles calling the country Burma is seen as a direct snub to the leadership.

The lady is called Aung San Suu Kyi - she and her party won free elections a few years back - after which she was put under house arrest and is rarely seen. It is her supporters who are now joining the monks.

It does amaze me though that the blind hatred of the US by many people here means that this is somehow their fault for a number of options 1)for not going in because there isnt any oil. 2) for thinking about intervening to expand the US empire. 3) Using the UN (as if) as a cover to futher their aims for global dominance. if you are going to criticise the US at least have the decency to learn the facts of the issue.

 

[Questions]

The US do plenty right. In fact they rarely make a mistake. Everything they wish to acheive for themselves is usually carried out with extreme precision. This is why they have such extended powers. It just looks like a bloody mess to the rest of the world.

I`m glad they poked their noses in in 1941. Apart from Vietnam we have been with them a considerable amount of the time. I hate to think what the world would be like without the USA as the worlds police force. Imagine Russia having had that role over the last 60 years with no USA about.

f*** me then you`d have something to moan about.

 

[Nibble]

In answer to both Questions and Eastleigh. It is you two who need to look at the facts of the US involvement in world affairs since 1912. There really is too much to it to go into detail here but if you scratch the surface of Us involvement it is apparent that they profit enourmously from both instigating and becoming involved in conflicts across the globe. The amount of large American conglomorates such as Smithkline and Ford that have funded and benefited from other people's suffering is staggering. You must also remember that these corporations have deep roots in the American government and have direct influence on American foreign policy.

It is true that the US have not been overtly involved in the Burma situation but this is an example of a situation they would gladly take advantage of. Deploying troops under the guise of NATO and the UN as well as their own military forces into troubled areas as a "peacekeeping" force is a well practiced tactic of the US and it's allies and once military rule is declared in that region they effectively become the government. It is only a very short step to these forces then taking control of the supply of their natural reources.

As for the Russians being in the role of World Police do you not think it is remarkable that the allies handed over so many territories to them in the divisions of the aftermath of WW2? The US certainly benefitted from their being in power and communism. It gave them a ready made common enemy and through the Cold War allowed the US to limit many people's freedoms in the name of freedom.

Of course, the motives of these actions can be disputed but the influence of financial institutions, corporations and ultimately the US Government on world events cannot be disputed and one should at least question the involvement of these bodies in world affairs. All these facts can be researched in depth and not just on crackpot conspiracy theory sites. The facts really are staggering, especially regarding financial policies of the US.

 

[Eastleigh Seagull]

Oh please. Next thing you know you will be talking about sects meeting in the woods and the great Jewish banking conspiracy and the royal family are all from Mars.

All this becuase someone actually questioned your criticism of why the US isnt getting involved in Burma. Sure the US isnt blameless over the last 90 years (although 1912 is an odd date to pick) but on this issue, which is what the thread was about - you are in the wrong. Your facts were wrong. Fact.

Burma has money and natural resources - hence why India and China are so ingrained in the country.

You cant say the US has a responsiblity to act as a global policeman and then criticise them when they act - or when they dont act.