[Misc] Bully XL’s

[The Clamp]

Should they be banned?

Irrelevance.

They already are. They are a pit bull breed and should not be owned by anyone.

At the very least they should have a muzzling order on them.

I have no idea why anyone other than a criminal moron would want to own such an ugly, dangerous, monster. Let alone have it in the house.

I’d like to see the breed wiped out.

What say you?

 

[The Clamp]

Nobody is buying this mutant beast as a nice addition to the family. It’s to intimidate and compensate for a tiny willy.

 

[portlock seagull]

I don't understand why anyone would want to own a dog so big and potentially dangerous.
Just doesn't make any sense.

Usual radio and newspaper debates today. What I never understand is the “pro” (latest breed in the dock) defenders reasoning. It’s always “I’ve got one and it puts my kids to bed, my baby rides around the house on, it wouldn’t harm a fly blah blah” when clearly if (if every dog is capable) then having the equivalent of a SABRE TOOTH RIGER in your house isn’t going to end well for the baby/child/adult.

Why not get a sensible sized dog, rather than risk one that - if it flips - will EAT your child etc, rather than ‘merely’ bite? And why own something that strikes fear into your average pedestrian, never mind other dog owners?

This are the types of people whose defence - down the park after a - always begins with “he’s never done that before…”. The only reasonable response to that is to smack em in the fob and say “I’ve never done that before, either” as defence.

These idiots need saving from themselves. They’re too stupid to reason with so simply Ban the breed. Even better, then ban these owners from the gene pool. It needs tidying up after all.

There was a phone on on 5Live this morning on the subject. Very good contribution from a Vet who said that there will always be a type of person that wants a certain type of dog...the breeds will change but, that type of person will move on to the next unbanned breed of dog. Depending on your age there is always a " breed " that is favoured...for me I recall it was Alsatians then Dobermans, Pit Bulls then Ridgebacks...now its bully things...sadly this goes on forever and will never be resolved. Some blame the breed, some blame the owners...it’s a circular argument that never ends.

there’s no harm however in then banning the new breeds these idiots develop to circumnavigate the existing law. Doing nothing just widens the circle. I also believe absolutely no point bringing licenses back. Those who obey the law generally will be taxed and likely already responsible types. Those who always disobey laws aren’t going to take any notice. And we’ve a tenth of police enforcement we once had so it’s a senseless solution IMO.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

There was a phone on on 5Live this morning on the subject. Very good contribution from a Vet who said that there will always be a type of person that wants a certain type of dog...the breeds will change but, that type of person will move on to the next unbanned breed of dog. Depending on your age there is always a " breed " that is favoured...for me I recall it was Alsatians then Dobermans, Pit Bulls then Ridgebacks...now its bully things...sadly this goes on forever and will never be resolved. Some blame the breed, some blame the owners...its a circular argument that never ends.

May I end it for you?

It's the owner.

There's no charge for that.

 

[The Colonel]

How could you even go to sleep at night with one of those things in the same house?

 

[Binney on acid]

No self respecting drug dealer should be without one.

 

[Weststander]

Walking by the Dyke Road petrol station a couple of weeks back there were some loud anti social chavs, with three XL Bully’s. They could barely control them and didn’t seem to care. I altered my route to swerve them.

Dogs of this ilk tear humans or other dogs to pieces. There’s no sensible reason other than to intimidate, or perhaps you’ve rescued one from scummers. R5 and LBC today had calls from families and old folk saying they now avoid the local park due these people and their dogs dominating.

Interestingly dog-mad Nicky Campbell could barely hide his bias towards not banning XL’s or severe controls. His passion for canines overriding empathy for the danger they pose, kids with ripped off faces or worse.

 

[HangletonGull]

Someone I used to know had one and even has a pup he couldn’t handle it , I honestly don’t know why someone would have one of these dogs

 

[pb21]

Last year as my partner and I were walking home from the park with our do we were approached / ran at, out of nowhere by one of these on the loose. We didn't know then it was one of these dogs, but it was still pretty scary at the time, you could tell it could do some damage if it wanted to. This was made worse by the fact our dog is nervous/reactive, which means she can easily bark at other dogs from a defensive perspective.

Anyway, it actually seemed relatively friendly and thought it best to take them home until we found the owner, who we did eventually as they were looking/calling in the street. Apparently a tradesman had left their gate open...

Here they are.

Have been thinking today this could have ended differently! But, on the other hand it was OK, potentially just lucky.

 

[herecomesaregular]

Walking by the Dyke Road petrol station a couple of weeks back there were some loud anti social chavs, with three XL Bully’s. They could barely control them and didn’t seem to care. I altered my route to swerve them.

Dogs of this ilk tear humans or other dogs to pieces. There’s no sensible reason other than to intimidate, or perhaps you’ve rescued one from scummers. R5 and LBC today had calls from families and old folk saying they now avoid the local park due these people and their dogs dominating.

Interestingly dog-mad Nicky Campbell could barely hide his bias towards not banning XL’s or severe controls. His passion for canines overriding empathy for the danger they pose, kids with ripped off faces or worse.

Great, I live near there. Also, you have two primary schools and two schools/six forms nearby.

 

[Chicken Run]

Here’s an example of an advertisement for one of these dogs, oh my days..,,,

Bossy line gen 2 blood line

£2,000 Hear I am sellin my 8 month old American XL bully generation 2 he is not 18months old add don't have option for 8 months boi he is a big boned bully his head is massive already only goin to get bigger create trained house trained good with female dogs only good with my children but...

www.freeads.co.uk

 

[Chicken Run]

Shit further research has revealed they are quite literally 2 a penny

ShieldSquare Captcha

 

[portlock seagull]

Here’s an example of an advertisement for one of these dogs, oh my days..,,,

Bossy line gen 2 blood line

£2,000 Hear I am sellin my 8 month old American XL bully generation 2 he is not 18months old add don't have option for 8 months boi he is a big boned bully his head is massive already only goin to get bigger create trained house trained good with female dogs only good with my children but...

www.freeads.co.uk

Did the dog or its owner write that ad?! Thick as mince…

 

[portlock seagull]

R5 and LBC today had calls from families and old folk saying they now avoid the local park due these people and their dogs dominating.

Did you hear the unhinged woman who called in? She revealed she had mental problems as the reason she “needed” a dog, lived in flats, had been assessed and refused by dog charities as unsuitable to own a dog, and said she can’t look after during the day because of work….so because of all this, she goes and gets a Bully xl. What could possibly go wrong eh? These are the morons living amongst us. Sake, is it any wonder…?!

 

[Horses Arse]

We have a 42kg red fox labrabdor, very powerful and I would imagine he'd have no problem causing life threatening injuries to most children and many adults if he was that way inclined. He is socialised, regularly exercised and very well trained so he is incredibly well behaved.

I appreciate some dogs are more likely to show aggressive behaviour but I'm strong believer in nurture over nature with dogs, give an XL bully to a family who invest in training and socialisation and they would be as safe as most large dogs IMO.

The problem lies with the wrong people taking on large dogs. People who don't have the space to care for such dogs, the intelligence or patience to invest the time into training and give then the care they require.

The answer for me is a license required to be a dog owner which includes a home visit and not being able to take on a puppy until you've obtained said licence for that particular breed. There's a dog for every type of family and abode IMO.

I don't think that's the case unfortunately. Certain breeds are bred for certain skills. The breed mentioned was bred to kill and maim. Its like the Czech wolf dog, mad idea to mix a GSD with a wolf..... Someone near me had one, mental. Could not be trusted despite the experienced dog trainer owner.

Your lab is very different. At 42kg in a lab means strong but slow, heavy but not all muscle, bred to collect not hurt.

Guy near us had a large bulldog, very well socialised. After its second year its always on the lead, certain reactions meant he simply can't trust it. Too powerful. Being on the lead continuously perpetuates the problem, not enough exercise means agitation.

There's no place for dogs like that.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

The whole debate reminds me of this especially where Pavel from Station cars gets eaten.

 

[BN9 BHA]

Can’t say I like the look of them especially as most of these dogs have cropped ears. Luckily I haven’t seen any on dog walks as I go into the countryside. Most of these plastic gangsters and chavs that own these type of dogs hopefully would not walk where I do.

 

[Weststander]

Did you hear the unhinged woman who called in? She revealed she had mental problems as the reason she “needed” a dog, lived in flats, had been assessed and refused by dog charities as unsuitable to own a dog, and said she can’t look after during the day because of work….so because of all this, she goes and gets a Bully xl. What could possibly go wrong eh? These are the morons living amongst us. Sake, is it any wonder…?!

Any radio phone in about XL Bully’s also always includes the faux expert on the breed, she disputes the stats about human deaths (but not the deaths numbers) saying it’s too small a sample. All heart.

 

[OzMike]

Ban the things, man made terminator beast.

 

[jonny.rainbow]

May I end it for you?

It's the owner.

There's no charge for that.

Not if the dog is a breed bred for fighting.

The owner is only part of the problem.

 

[Cotton Socks]

I have a 28kg Lab that pulls like a train on the lead. People don't believe how strong he his until they hold him on the lead themselves. When he was a puppy the focus was on getting his recall off lead, rather than walking on lead. 9 years later, he comes back (unless there's another Lab nearby that he wants to love). So basically I'm no Barbara Woodhouse. He is a lover not a fighter & if a dog tells him to bugger off with his amorous advances, he legs it. I am of the opinion that he's a stupid soft twat that had a shit trainer (me) to train him on lead walking & recall.
However, having kids around when he joined the household meant my other focus was actually on no stealing food from anyone, no hanging around when people were eating & a general sense of 'bugger off' when he's told to, which he does.
My Lab has been attacked by a Staffie & my previous Golden Retriever was also attacked by a Staffie (not the same Staffie) & I'm a little bit wary of them, walking where I do I've come across loads of nice Staffies that far outweigh the bad experience with the other 2. French Bulldogs seem to be another breed with chips on their shoulders to other dogs.
I've seen a few Bully's on my walks with my dog over the last year or so, the latest one I've come across is a puppy that's soft as shit but their owner can't move it (physically) when it decides it's not going to walk anymore.
At the end of the day no-one truly knows what their dog is going to do, people walk their dog off lead on streets thinking that they are in complete control & one nearly got smacked with a van last week when it ran across the road to see another dog. The elderly owner of the cute cockerpoo type dog, was insistent that her dog 'never' runs off & it was the 1st time ever. Yes it probably was the 1st time ever but why risk it?? Why do people take off collars & tags when their dogs are indoors as well??
Back to original topic, yes I think they probably should be banned. They are becoming the new 'staffie' breed that are being given a bad name by chavvy gobshites using them as a 'status symbol'. The woman with the puppy last week didn't fit the description of chav & I think her puppy will grow up to be nice, but if she can't walk it when it's a puppy, she has no hope if it turns out to be a gobshite. It can be as simple as the nature vs nurture debate with humans.
@Mr Putdown seems to know what he's doing when it comes to dog training, I'd be interested to know what he thinks.