[Misc] Bully XL’s

[The Clamp]

Should they be banned?

Irrelevance.

They already are. They are a pit bull breed and should not be owned by anyone.

At the very least they should have a muzzling order on them.

I have no idea why anyone other than a criminal moron would want to own such an ugly, dangerous, monster. Let alone have it in the house.

I’d like to see the breed wiped out.

What say you?

 

[jonny.rainbow]

Within 24 hours the ban has been watered down to muzzling. We all know the type of people who owns these dogs are not going to muzzle them.

Still, Rishi might have won a couple of votes following his announcement.

 

[Algernon]

Here’s an example of an advertisement for one of these dogs, oh my days..,,,

ShieldSquare Captcha

Blimey.
There must be only one type of stereotypical pumped up cretin that would consider buying that liability after reading that.

 

[raymondo]

Within 24 hours the ban has been watered down to muzzling. We all know the type of people who owns these dogs are not going to muzzle them.

Still, Rishi might have won a couple of votes following his announcement.

I'm assuming existing dogs would have to be muzzled (but as you say some owners won't be arsed) but future purchases won't be allowed (if they can really police that). I could be wrong of course. Prison sentences need to be far harsher as a deterrent.

 

[BN9 BHA]

 

[raymondo]

That poor man in Walsall was effectively murdered by dogs, no? Rather than the law prosecuting an owner for not controlling his dogs, surely he should be prosecuted for manslaughter? I know that's what I'd want if I were a relative or friend of the dead man.

 

[BevBHA]

I have just had the time this morning to read through the whole thread. Abit of a cesspit for judgemental, political points scoring.

I’m not ashamed to say I am an XL Bully owner. She’s 18 months old. She’s my pride and joy, we walk 3+ hours a day, she socialises with other dogs regularly. In public spaces I always have her on an extendable lead, not through any of my own worries, but I am able to understand the reputation the breed now has, and how others may perceive her.

The thought of looking her in the eyes today and knowing she may be killed, having to take a family member away, it’s absolutely heartbreaking. She’s in amazing hands, amazing care and has a brilliant life that this breed needs. Not sat in a flat all day with no exercise etc. Just loved as a dog should be and she gives us that back and more. They are often used for attention on social media as suggested above, I do agree with that judgement. I do have social media, but my use of it is quite sparse, only really using Twitter (X) for Albion news, and the odd scroll of instagram to see what friends and family are up to. She’s certainly not plastered over any platform I can get her on.

Before her I had a male Staff, and before my staff I had an Alsatian, people said the same about both of these dogs and they were the best family dogs I have had.

For all of the reasons outlined above my opinion is that these dogs should be licensed. I’m not entirely sure what that looks like, whether that be home visits (multiple before a decision is made), whether you have to meet certain criteria, I’m not sure. But I couldn’t read this thread and not contribute as an owner, risking the judgement of you guys.

More than happy to answer any sensible questions etc you may have about what it’s like to own this breed. Thanks.

 

[cjd]

I have just had the time this morning to read through the whole thread. Abit of a cesspit for judgemental, political points scoring.

I’m not ashamed to say I am an XL Bully owner. She’s 18 months old. She’s my pride and joy, we walk 3+ hours a day, she socialises with other dogs regularly. In public spaces I always have her on an extendable lead, not through any of my own worries, but I am able to understand the reputation the breed now has, and how others may perceive her.

The thought of looking her in the eyes today and knowing she may be killed, having to take a family member away, it’s absolutely heartbreaking. She’s in amazing hands, amazing care and has a brilliant life that this breed needs. Not sat in a flat all day with no exercise etc. Just loved as a dog should be and she gives us that back and more. They are often used for attention on social media as suggested above, I do agree with that judgement. I do have social media, but my use of it is quite sparse, only really using Twitter (X) for Albion news, and the odd scroll of instagram to see what friends and family are up to. She’s certainly not plastered over any platform I can get her on.

Before her I had a male Staff, and before my staff I had an Alsatian, people said the same about both of these dogs and they were the best family dogs I have had.

For all of the reasons outlined above my opinion is that these dogs should be licensed. I’m not entirely sure what that looks like, whether that be home visits (multiple before a decision is made), whether you have to meet certain criteria, I’m not sure. But I couldn’t read this thread and not contribute as an owner, risking the judgement of you guys.

More than happy to answer any sensible questions etc you may have about what it’s like to own this breed. Thanks.

Is there a good reason for why you would originally buy a dog like this, that you obviously would be aware that the majority of people neither like them or trust them and many would be afraid of them.....?

Or did you somehow think the majority of people would think you had a lovely cuddly chappie at the end of your thick and presumably strong lead...?

Just asking...

 

[BevBHA]

Is there a good reason for why you would originally buy a dog like this, that you obviously would be aware that the majority of people neither like them or trust them and many would be afraid of them.....?

Or did you somehow think the majority of people would think you had a lovely cuddly chappie at the end of your thick and presumably strong lead...?

Just asking...

Thankyou, it’s a good and fair question (even if it is worded in a patronising manner)

I didn’t purchase her, I actually rescued her at 3 months old from a couple who ‘couldn’t cope’ with her. A classic for this breed, effectively she was being used to show off and they didn’t want to actually take care of her with regards to walks etc, both were working 5 days a week meaning she was home alone etc.

The same reason I rescued the 2 previous dogs. To know there is one more in good hands, with a good life and knowing I am doing my tiny bit to change that perception.

 

[BN9 BHA]

Is there a good reason for why you would originally buy a dog like this, that you obviously would be aware that the majority of people neither like them or trust them and many would be afraid of them.....?

Or did you somehow think the majority of people would think you had a lovely cuddly chappie at the end of your thick and presumably strong lead...?

Just asking...

You have saved me asking the same questions

 

[BevBHA]

You have saved me asking the same questions

Hopefully have helped to understand this more above.

 

[KZNSeagull]

The one in our village has been muzzled for a while but the owner struggles to control it on the lead when out walking.

 

[pb21]

I have just had the time this morning to read through the whole thread. Abit of a cesspit for judgemental, political points scoring.

I’m not ashamed to say I am an XL Bully owner. She’s 18 months old. She’s my pride and joy, we walk 3+ hours a day, she socialises with other dogs regularly. In public spaces I always have her on an extendable lead, not through any of my own worries, but I am able to understand the reputation the breed now has, and how others may perceive her.

The thought of looking her in the eyes today and knowing she may be killed, having to take a family member away, it’s absolutely heartbreaking. She’s in amazing hands, amazing care and has a brilliant life that this breed needs. Not sat in a flat all day with no exercise etc. Just loved as a dog should be and she gives us that back and more. They are often used for attention on social media as suggested above, I do agree with that judgement. I do have social media, but my use of it is quite sparse, only really using Twitter (X) for Albion news, and the odd scroll of instagram to see what friends and family are up to. She’s certainly not plastered over any platform I can get her on.

Before her I had a male Staff, and before my staff I had an Alsatian, people said the same about both of these dogs and they were the best family dogs I have had.

For all of the reasons outlined above my opinion is that these dogs should be licensed. I’m not entirely sure what that looks like, whether that be home visits (multiple before a decision is made), whether you have to meet certain criteria, I’m not sure. But I couldn’t read this thread and not contribute as an owner, risking the judgement of you guys.

More than happy to answer any sensible questions etc you may have about what it’s like to own this breed. Thanks.

Your situation sounds to me like one where your dog should be allowed to live, under certain conditions, licensed, muzzled etc.

I would definitely get a normal lead though, rather than an extending one. Much more robust and secure IMO, that should probably be one of the licence conditions too.

 

[BevBHA]

I have a question for @BevBHA, do you

Your situation sounds to me like one where your dog should be allowed to live, under certain conditions, licensed, muzzled etc.

I would definitely get a normal lead though, rather than an extending one. Much more robust and secure IMO, that should probably be one of the licence conditions too.

A fair point, noted, and if that made other feel safer I will consider doing it, in fact I’ll have a look on Amazon tonight.

Most of the time we walk over the downs, it’s rare we bump into any others, only cows and sheep. Only usually at weekends or on family walks we will go to public parks etc. Again please let me emphasise that’s not due to being worried about her! My house backs onto the downs so it’s just a lot easier than getting her in the car etc, she’s pretty heavy after all.

Thanks for the suggestion, obviously with recent news and the hot topic this is, I genuinely am interested in what will help others not to worry if they see me with my puppy.

 

[cjd]

Thankyou, it’s a good and fair question (even if it is worded in a patronising manner)

I didn’t purchase her, I actually rescued her at 3 months old from a couple who ‘couldn’t cope’ with her. A classic for this breed, effectively she was being used to show off and they didn’t want to actually take care of her with regards to walks etc, both were working 5 days a week meaning she was home alone etc.

The same reason I rescued the 2 previous dogs. To know there is one more in good hands, with a good life and knowing I am doing my tiny bit to change that perception.

Ok. So you are very aware that the majority of people don't like this breed of dog, that the majority of people don't trust this breed of dog, that you took it on board already knowing it has issues regarding behaviour. and unless you are some sort of super woman/man you truthfully believed you could sort it out. Hmmmmmm.

Just as an aside, I have a female black labrador and we live very much in the countryside here in France.. When I come back and visit the UK, I am very aware that despite my small'ish dog being super friendly, there are a significant number of adults and children who get anxious when she chases a ball thrown by me. I too get anxious when breeds of dogs like yours are around if I'm walking up the Sussex Downs.

I hope you understand that you "doing your tiny bit to change perceptions", that you are most certainly going to fail and actually increase peoples fear of them........and frequently spoiling an enjoyable walk for a lot of people who were enjoying some fresh air and healthy exercise.

On a personal level, it appears there are thousands of dogs in rescue centres that I think are more suitable to be re-homed as pets.

 

[pb21]

A fair point, noted, and if that made other feel safer I will consider doing it, in fact I’ll have a look on Amazon tonight.

Most of the time we walk over the downs, it’s rare we bump into any others, only cows and sheep. Only usually at weekends or on family walks we will go to public parks etc. Again please let me emphasise that’s not due to being worried about her! My house backs onto the downs so it’s just a lot easier than getting her in the car etc, she’s pretty heavy after all.

Thanks for the suggestion, obviously with recent news and the hot topic this is, I genuinely am interested in what will help others not to worry if they see me with my puppy.

I guess if your confident you won't come across any other dogs or children etc. and you're on the Downs where its quite open an extending one is OK. I guess it's all about risk, definitely would 'look' better too if you are in more public areas. Good to have on you though IMO.

Just from experience (only 20 kgs of Lurcher who wants to constantly run off and not come back...) I know that extending leads can break, plus its definitely easier to have a secure hold of the lead.

 

[Hamilton]

For dangerous dogs I’d cull them all.

Simple.

You want a dog? Get one that doesn’t have a killer gene bred into it.

There’s a 52-year-old bloke who should have been having a day in the sunshine today. And he’s the latest in a growing line.

This owner has been spoken two twice by police about his dogs.

 

[BevBHA]

For dangerous dogs I’d cull them all.

Simple.

You want a dog? Get one that doesn’t have a killer gene bred into it.

There’s a 52-year-old bloke who should have been having a day in the sunshine today. And he’s the latest in a growing line.

This owner has been spoken two twice by police about his dogs.

Very contradictory.

‘This owner has been spoken to twice by police about his dogs’

So put them on license and seize dogs from those without one?

 

[Mo Gosfield]

There seems to be a perception amongst certain members of society that all dogs are ' trainable ' Whatever their history, whatever their breeding, they can all be turned into soppy and lovely family pets. I am no expert but I guess that all dogs were originally hunting dogs ( in packs ), killing for survival and therefore, deep in the genes of all breeds is this instinct to hunt and attack and kill. Most dogs retain historic characteristics, marking territories, turning round before they sleep, checking for danger, growling and barking and always, always, capable of moments of aggression. Cross breeding and ' domestication ' has turned a number of breeds into fairly placid animals, dumbing down any genetic disposition to hunt and kill, particularly as food ( their main motivation in life ) is provided for them.
If all dogs, with their genetic histories can be trained into placidity, why can't Lions, Tigers, Cheetahs, Hyenas etc ? ( Yes, I know some are cats ) Are we being too casual in defining between ' wild ' and ' domesticated ' and ' dangerous ' and ' harmless ' If any of us became aware that a neighbouring family with children were keeping a Lion cub, most of us would be shocked and some would report them to the authorities. So when we find a breed of dog that has been bred for only one purpose, to fight to the death, its genes manufactured between breeds to create the most potent cocktail of powerfully built raw aggression, apparently its ' trainable ' and every microdot of its genetic makeup can be trained out of it. Their supporters do not identify them as ' dangerous ' They are lumping all dogs together. All perfectly trainable.
I'd rather have a lion on a lead. At least everyone would pay it the respect it deserves, aware of its danger, rather than pretending that these dogs are under control and any act of overt aggression is out of character and can be excused.

 

[sydney]

I have just had the time this morning to read through the whole thread. Abit of a cesspit for judgemental, political points scoring.

I’m not ashamed to say I am an XL Bully owner. She’s 18 months old. She’s my pride and joy, we walk 3+ hours a day, she socialises with other dogs regularly. In public spaces I always have her on an extendable lead, not through any of my own worries, but I am able to understand the reputation the breed now has, and how others may perceive her.

The thought of looking her in the eyes today and knowing she may be killed, having to take a family member away, it’s absolutely heartbreaking. She’s in amazing hands, amazing care and has a brilliant life that this breed needs. Not sat in a flat all day with no exercise etc. Just loved as a dog should be and she gives us that back and more. They are often used for attention on social media as suggested above, I do agree with that judgement. I do have social media, but my use of it is quite sparse, only really using Twitter (X) for Albion news, and the odd scroll of instagram to see what friends and family are up to. She’s certainly not plastered over any platform I can get her on.

Before her I had a male Staff, and before my staff I had an Alsatian, people said the same about both of these dogs and they were the best family dogs I have had.

For all of the reasons outlined above my opinion is that these dogs should be licensed. I’m not entirely sure what that looks like, whether that be home visits (multiple before a decision is made), whether you have to meet certain criteria, I’m not sure. But I couldn’t read this thread and not contribute as an owner, risking the judgement of you guys.

More than happy to answer any sensible questions etc you may have about what it’s like to own this breed. Thanks.

its not about the breed ......its the environment they are reared in and the love form the family .....i have k own 3 big boys mate ...sound as f*** and loyal ....that is the issue , they will protect the family or whoever they are with ...good breed , bad name..

 

[birthofanorange]

If people continue to be allowed to have these (potential) killing machines, unmuzzled, in public, even on a lead, then I should be afforded the allowance of carrying a machete/handgun in order to protect myself, should I be attacked by one of these monstrosities.
I say this slightly tongue in cheek, but I regard them as a dangerous weapon, and they should not be out in public.
It really says a lot about a person who chooses to have a beast like this, over the many hundreds of smaller, equally 'lovable' breeds.