[Football] BTP appealing for witnesses of Anti-Semitic chanting

[portlock seagull]

Hang on, are you saying that reporting anti-semitic behaviour is extremist?

You’ve gone off on a trail I can’t fathom. Completely wrong end of stick and I can’t be arsed to correct or explain other than to say you’re completely off track with your assertions

 

[SeagullCrow]

The person giving the quote saying it disturbed them is a tad over the top if they are not Jewish then !!!

It's disturbing irrespective

 

[Weststander]

If it was a racially aggravated POA. it would be heard in the magistrates court.

With an innocent plea?

 

[Weststander]

Stop being so dramatic, I am totally sane in every way. I find the chants sick and derogatory, they don't disturb me, my father being rushed to hospital yesterday, after being home for 4 days after being in hospital for 5 weeks disturbs me.

Nonsense.

Yes, that was disturbing for you.

But kind, very civilised people find racist/homophobic chants from thugs sickening. There are also many Jewish people in the city, many of whom follow the Albion. Brighton have a lot of good people, I’d say a bit further in evolutionary development than some pretty vile people out there.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Stop being so dramatic, I am totally sane in every way. I find the chants sick and derogatory, they don't disturb me, my father being rushed to hospital yesterday, after being home for 4 days after being in hospital for 5 weeks disturbs me.

I sympathise having lost my father 20 years ago. I would find it distressing rather than disturbing.

I think we are thinking about different words.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

With an innocent plea?

Yes, section 5 of the POA is a summary offence.

 

[Weststander]

Yes, section 5 of the POA is a summary offence.

Tapping your knowledge, could the defendent insist on trial by jury?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Taxing your knowledge, could the defendent insist on trial by jury?

No, that applies to Either Way offences, and singing a racist chant would come under Section 5. There are other sections of the POA which would be Either Way offences.

 

[Weststander]

No, that applies to Either Way offences, and singing a racist chant would come under Section 5. There are other sections of the POA which would be Either Way offences.

I need to get au fait with criminal law, as many Chelski fans are doing.

 

[Eeyore]

No, how dramatic !!!!



Because its an easy conviction. No police work needed !!!!!

I would imagine the incident would be disturbing if there was a threat of a full on brawl.

 

[N17]

An interesting article, but I don't agree with what he's saying.

Language is all about context, in this context the word has evolved over time and I'm pretty sure that most Chelsea fans aren't singing about hating Jews when they sing their songs, they're singing about hating Tottenham. Yid army = Tottenham. I know there are some dodgy elements in their support, but I refuse to believe that every little scrote on the train singing about hating yids truly understands the historical context. Unfortunately for someone they're going to have to be made an example of to try an stamp it out.

I think if Spurs were rally serious about helping they would stop their fans from using the word as well. It's disingenuous to try and claim that when Chelsea fans use the word it applies to all Jews but when non-Jewish Tottenham fans sing it, it only applies to Tottenham. If you want to ban a word from use in any context then it has to apply across the board and that applies to Spurs fans as well.

True but the CFC classics 'id rather be a P*** than a Jew' and Spurs are on their way to Auschwitz, Hitler's gonna do it again' don't leave much room for ambiguity.

I think it is more these types of songs rather than them merely using the word Yid which is at question here.

 

[Eeyore]

An interesting article, but I don't agree with what he's saying.

Language is all about context, in this context the word has evolved over time and I'm pretty sure that most Chelsea fans aren't singing about hating Jews when they sing their songs, they're singing about hating Tottenham. Yid army = Tottenham. I know there are some dodgy elements in their support, but I refuse to believe that every little scrote on the train singing about hating yids truly understands the historical context. Unfortunately for someone they're going to have to be made an example of to try an stamp it out.

I think if Spurs were rally serious about helping they would stop their fans from using the word as well. It's disingenuous to try and claim that when Chelsea fans use the word it applies to all Jews but when non-Jewish Tottenham fans sing it, it only applies to Tottenham. If you want to ban a word from use in any context then it has to apply across the board and that applies to Spurs fans as well.

I do agree- and I think that sometimes the whole 'racist' thing is sweeping in stuff that is more inappropriate in the modern age than actually racist. The word is becoming diluted. Context is everything here.

The reports coming out refer to 'vile anti-Jewish' songs. Obviously this needs to be addressed as it cannot be normalised.

 

[Weststander]

True but the CFC classics 'id rather be a P*** than a Jew' and Spurs are on their way to Auschwitz, Hitler's gonna do it again' don't leave much room for ambiguity.

I think it is more these types of songs rather than them merely using the word Yid which is at question here.

This. Using an abbreviation of the noun Yiddish, is world’s away from laughing about a modern racial genocide.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

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[Billy the Fish]

True but the CFC classics 'id rather be a P*** than a Jew' and Spurs are on their way to Auschwitz, Hitler's gonna do it again' don't leave much room for ambiguity.

I think it is more these types of songs rather than them merely using the word Yid which is at question here.

If it is those songs then whoever is singing it deserves their day out to court!

Some of the negative press I've read recently though is for the Moratta song which only has the yid reference.

 

[Wilko]

This is an area greyer than John Major's wardrobe, and one there isn't really a rational answer for.

If you are 'that person' (black, Jewish etc) then it's perfectly okay to say the word N*gger or Yid. However, utter outrage when anyone else says it.

If it's an outrageous word which nobody should say - and the Police get involved if you do, then don't bloody say it yourself. Surely?

Watch me get flamed and get called stupid / narrow minded and missing the point for this, but that's my opinion.

I agree and also think it causes further divide of races because it is basicaaly saying you can only use this word if you are a certain colour and absolutely not if you're another colour.