[Football] BTP appealing for witnesses of Anti-Semitic chanting

[junior]

Don't understand this as these supporters were pointed out to the Transport Police when they got off the train. Surely that counts as a complaint

I think they've had the complaint, they're asking for witnesses no?

 

[N17]

https://www.thefightingcock.co.uk/2018/12/the-thing-i-love-most/

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Chants about killing Jews are disturbing [MENTION=12474]The Gem[/MENTION]. Have you forgotten we have a Jewish owner?

 

[The Gem]

Chants about killing Jews are disturbing [MENTION=12474]The Gem[/MENTION]. Have you forgotten we have a Jewish owner?

What did they chant??

I agree its a terrible and horrible thing to chant, but its not disturbing.

No I haven't forgotten that either.

 

[The Gem]

You think? How long have you worked in the courts system?

27 years now

 

[Thunder Bolt]

27 years now

So you know that a complaint of an offence is not enough to convict without evidence. If it is just one word against another.

 

[The Gem]

So you know that a complaint of an offence is not enough to convict without evidence. If it is just one word against another.

Thanks for the reminder.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Do you think this country is becoming more or less tolerant? I sometimes wonder myself eg If I heard 4 pissed yooof saying Yid on public transport I’d just put it down to rivalry, drink and being boring / a bit thick and immature to think for themselves rather than calling them out as racists and making a police complaint.

I don't quite know what to make of this. Are you saying we should be more tolerant of intolerant people?

 

[portlock seagull]

I don't quite know what to make of this. Are you saying we should be more tolerant of intolerant people?

Extremism is on the rise, left right and centre

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Extremism is on the rise, left right and centre

Hang on, are you saying that reporting anti-semitic behaviour is extremist?

 

[SeagullCrow]

What did they chant??

I agree its a terrible and horrible thing to chant, but its not disturbing.

No I haven't forgotten that either.

It is disturbing if you're Jewish!

 

[Weststander]

27 years now

The prosecution for a hate crime by football fans would not be easy in the slightest. Many legal hurdles to even get to court, a mischievous defence team and it being laid down on the Jury at every step of the way “beyond reasonable doubt”.

 

[rippleman]

Chants about killing Jews are disturbing [MENTION=12474]The Gem[/MENTION]. Have you forgotten we have a Jewish owner?

And so, ironically, do they!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

And so, ironically, do they!

They've got real problems in their club.

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[Thunder Bolt]

The prosecution for a hate crime by football fans would not be easy in the slightest. Many legal hurdles to even get to court, a mischievous defence team and it being laid down on the Jury at every step of the way “beyond reasonable doubt”.

If it was a racially aggravated POA. it would be heard in the magistrates court.

 

[Nottseagull]

I HATE the term 'snowflake'.

It's ok when it's only uttered by us white people....

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[The Gem]

It is disturbing if you're Jewish!

The person giving the quote saying it disturbed them is a tad over the top if they are not Jewish then !!!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The person giving the quote saying it disturbed them is a tad over the top if they are not Jewish then !!!

Really? If I heard chants about killing Jews I would find it very disturbing. Most sane people would.

 

[The Gem]

Really? If I heard chants about killing Jews I would find it very disturbing. Most sane people would.

Stop being so dramatic, I am totally sane in every way. I find the chants sick and derogatory, they don't disturb me, my father being rushed to hospital yesterday, after being home for 4 days after being in hospital for 5 weeks disturbs me.

 

[Billy the Fish]

https://www.thefightingcock.co.uk/2018/12/the-thing-i-love-most/

An interesting article, but I don't agree with what he's saying.

Language is all about context, in this context the word has evolved over time and I'm pretty sure that most Chelsea fans aren't singing about hating Jews when they sing their songs, they're singing about hating Tottenham. Yid army = Tottenham. I know there are some dodgy elements in their support, but I refuse to believe that every little scrote on the train singing about hating yids truly understands the historical context. Unfortunately for someone they're going to have to be made an example of to try an stamp it out.

I think if Spurs were rally serious about helping they would stop their fans from using the word as well. It's disingenuous to try and claim that when Chelsea fans use the word it applies to all Jews but when non-Jewish Tottenham fans sing it, it only applies to Tottenham. If you want to ban a word from use in any context then it has to apply across the board and that applies to Spurs fans as well.