Brown and B liar not going to the wedding.

[public school boy]

Why on earth is there such a hooha? Brown was a terrible PM and Chancellor, Blair is a compulsive liar and took us into an illegal war. NOT WANTED either of them.

 

[The Spanish]

there isnt. just the BBC have taken some very handily timed silly Jack Straw remarks and thats their rolling news sorted until lunch.

jack straw totally mugged himself off on the today programme this morning, was very funny when quizzed on his republicanism immediately after moaning that blair and the cyclops werent invited to the party.

 

[Biscuit]

You spelt his name wrong...

I get a bit bored of all this Blair bashing. Sure you didn't like his foreign policy but domestically, from 1997, we did pretty well with him didn't we?
I mean ten years of prosperity and economic stability, the negotiation of the Good Friday Agreement, the fox hunting ban, and a few other decent things to boot. Yes he was wrong about Iraq, but why can't we have a more balanced appraisal of the man? He is not a cartoon. Just brandishing him one thing or the other doesn't really leave much room for a grown up debate does it? Without doubt his biggest failing after Iraq was not making the most of the opportunity that '97 afforded him. Strangely I find myself a lot more enraged by that than the Iraq war. How unbalanced is that? But then I tend to see it more as the removal of a dictator responsible for the slaughter of his own people than a war for oil of whatever.

It seems bizarre to me that a man so vilified could be responsible for making New Labour seem more 'humane' than the Tories..

Anyway as you were, just adding a bit of 'balance'.

 

[public school boy]

You spelt his name wrong...

I get a bit bored of all this Blair bashing. Sure you didn't like his foreign policy but domestically, from 1997, we did pretty well with him didn't we?
I mean ten years of prosperity and economic stability, the negotiation of the Good Friday Agreement, the fox hunting ban, and a few other decent things to boot. Yes he was wrong about Iraq, but why can't we have a more balanced appraisal of the man? He is not a cartoon. Just brandishing him one thing or the other doesn't really leave much room for a grown up debate does it? Without doubt his biggest failing after Iraq was not making the most of the opportunity that '97 afforded him. Strangely I find myself a lot more enraged by that than the Iraq war. How unbalanced is that? But then I tend to see it more as the removal of a dictator responsible for the slaughter of his own people than a war for oil of whatever.

It seems bizarre to me that a man so vilified could be responsible for making New Labour seem more 'humane' than the Tories..

Anyway as you were, just adding a bit of 'balance'.

The prosperity he gave the country was built on borrowing and now we are all paying the price. John Major has to take some of the credit for bringing peace to Northern Ireland plus we must not forget that the attack on the Twin Towers also stopped American funding for the IRA.

 

[Seagull over Canaryland]

I am not a fan of politicians of any persuasion, but have a particular loathing for Blair and Brown. Am quite amused by them not being invited to the wedding - when the ambassadors from those shining examples of human rights like Syria, Zimbabwe and Ivory Coast have been......This also puts Blair in the same select group of non-invitees as his mate Gaddafi. Interesting.

Maybe this story is a bit of a Tory own goal in not finding a way to invite them to the wedding. It might just suit Labour who are keen to distance themselves from the toffs. Whereas the Tories should have allowed images of Blair & Brown to be on telly and photographed among the Royals just to remind the public that there were politicians at least as unpopular as themselves!

I agree that Blair and Brown could have done more, but chose not to. Brown was supposedly the best chancellor since sliced bread, remember him and his 'prudence, prudence, prudence' mantra - now shown to be complete bollox, allowing the country to spend spend spend, mortgage itself to the hilt, and create a feel good factor built on debt, instead of reigning in the banks and credit card companies. His fingerprints are all over the financial crisis. Isn't it ironic that history will show that a Labour Chancellor was the real architect of mass redundancies and the social misery that will dog this country (and our pockets) for years to come. For most of their time in power together Blair allowed Brown a free reign. I don't buy the claims still being made by Ed ('it wasn't me') Balls that this was all an international problem. Ed was one of Brown's advisers...

I don't suppose that Blair gives a hoot anyway - probably too busy making a mint on the lecture circuits. I suppose for political balance I should express my cynicism that the Tories will not in their friends in the Banks either, and that nice Vince Cable hasn't proved to be the voice of economic reason that many hoped for. Hence my dislike of politicians.

Tony Bloom for PM - or better still footie royalty: 'Lord Bloom of Falmer' has a ring to it.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

You spelt his name wrong...

I get a bit bored of all this Blair bashing. Sure you didn't like his foreign policy but domestically, from 1997, we did pretty well with him didn't we?
I mean ten years of prosperity and economic stability, the negotiation of the Good Friday Agreement, the fox hunting ban, and a few other decent things to boot. Yes he was wrong about Iraq, but why can't we have a more balanced appraisal of the man? He is not a cartoon. Just brandishing him one thing or the other doesn't really leave much room for a grown up debate does it? Without doubt his biggest failing after Iraq was not making the most of the opportunity that '97 afforded him. Strangely I find myself a lot more enraged by that than the Iraq war. How unbalanced is that? But then I tend to see it more as the removal of a dictator responsible for the slaughter of his own people than a war for oil of whatever.

It seems bizarre to me that a man so vilified could be responsible for making New Labour seem more 'humane' than the Tories..

Anyway as you were, just adding a bit of 'balance'.

Given your utter hatred of the Tories I don't think your view can be counted as balanced

Of course boom and bust has been irradiated so the economic difficulties we are currently experiencing can only be as a result of taking too much LSD and thus a figment of our imagination.

 

[wolfie]

What wedding ? Is it on TV ?

 

[glasfryn]

What wedding ? Is it on TV ?

I would imagine that neither would particularly want to go anyway as they might find themselves sitting next to the vile witch thatcher

 

[glasfryn]

What wedding ? Is it on TV ?

I would imagine that neither would particularly want to go anyway as they might find themselves sitting next to david shameron


as this posted twice for no apparent reason I thought is was to good an to miss

 

[Insel affe]

who cares

 

[seagullondon]

i cant see peoples beef with gordon brown.

 

[The Spanish]

i cant see peoples beef with gordon brown.

has he fallen out with some rappers then

 

[Scotty Mac]

brown i can understand not being invited - blair on the other hand was there in 97 when dianna died and conducted himself pretty well when a lot of people were thoroughly pissed off with the royal family for their lack of seeming concern about the whole event

he calmed down what could have been a real backlash against the monarchy

 

[public school boy]

brown i can understand not being invited - blair on the other hand was there in 97 when dianna died and conducted himself pretty well when a lot of people were thoroughly pissed off with the royal family for their lack of seeming concern about the whole event

he calmed down what could have been a real backlash against the monarchy

He upset the Royals by trying to take too much glory over the Diana affair and also by tring to stick his nose in during The Queen Mum's funeral preperations. He always sought the lime light.

 

[Scotty Mac]

He upset the Royals by trying to take too much glory over the Diana affair and also by tring to stick his nose in during The Queen Mum's funeral preperations. He always sought the lime light.

dont know much about the queen mother thing, but at the risk of sending this off on a daily express style snoozefest, please explain how he tried to take glory over diana dying

 

[Samej]

You spelt his name wrong...

I get a bit bored of all this Blair bashing. Sure you didn't like his foreign policy but domestically, from 1997, we did pretty well with him didn't we?
I mean ten years of prosperity and economic stability, the negotiation of the Good Friday Agreement, the fox hunting ban, and a few other decent things to boot. Yes he was wrong about Iraq, but why can't we have a more balanced appraisal of the man? He is not a cartoon. Just brandishing him one thing or the other doesn't really leave much room for a grown up debate does it? Without doubt his biggest failing after Iraq was not making the most of the opportunity that '97 afforded him. Strangely I find myself a lot more enraged by that than the Iraq war. How unbalanced is that? But then I tend to see it more as the removal of a dictator responsible for the slaughter of his own people than a war for oil of whatever.

It seems bizarre to me that a man so vilified could be responsible for making New Labour seem more 'humane' than the Tories..

Anyway as you were, just adding a bit of 'balance'.

You thick prick fox hunting was never banned only Hare coursing was banned

 

[dexter]

You thick prick fox hunting was never banned only Hare coursing was banned

i do believe it was hunting with dogs that was supposedly banned (i have no idea why as we have been breeding hunting dogs for centurys) but as for blair and the fat jock they are not really wellcome are they.
back to the hunting thing, one only hopes that david does his best to gradually reintroduce this sport of gentlemen

 

[Westdene Seagull]

You thick prick fox hunting was never banned only Hare coursing was banned

Such a well researched and laid out argument for one so early in an NSC posting career

 

[Biscuit]

You thick prick fox hunting was never banned only Hare coursing was banned

I'm not thick, and see no reason for you to call me a prick other than you disagree with me on this. For the record, when you judge my response to this thread against yours, there is only going to be one of us that comes across as a 'thick prick'.

 

[Titanic]

dont know much about the queen mother thing, but at the risk of sending this off on a daily express style snoozefest, please explain how he tried to take glory over diana dying

All that nauseating "People's Princess" tripe.