[Politics] British IS Girl wanting to return to the UK

[RossyG]

Easy to say isn’t it? Not the reality unfortunately. No sane parent would say that.

I’m against the death penalty.

But if a member of my family was murdered, I’d happily smash the murderer to a pulp with a baseball bat.

Legal decisions should be made by calm and wise heads not emotional participants.

 

[Simster]

The problem with that scenario is that it hasn't happened.

How do you know with absolute conviction?

 

[beorhthelm]

The problem I have with this is as follows: imagine a scenario where a 15 year old middle class white kid becomes indoctrinated with white power hate, and trots off to the USA to join a camp run by the KKK where he learns to create nail bombs, specifically to be placed in black areas of London. Then our authorities find out what he's doing and refuse him entry back into the country at Heathrow while they consider the implications of doing so. Can you imagine any scenario whatsoever where that boy is unrepentant but wants entry back into the country and is refused?

Of course not. Qwhite an interesting difference isn't it?

or maybe they would, as case of Jack Letts shows.

 

[nicko31]

The system has failed.

As a British subject she should be back here to face justice, we need to know what happened, who are the ring leaders etc...

 

[Poojah]

They could really screw her by relenting and resettling her in Leeds. She’d soon be begging the UK authorities to return her to that Syrian camp.

Oi, we have running water and everything here now you know...

 

[Simster]

or maybe they would, as case of Jack Letts shows.

Jack Letts was a 24 year old man, not a 15 year old school kid.

 

[beorhthelm]

The system has failed.

As a British subject she should be back here to face justice, we need to know what happened, who are the ring leaders etc...

she didnt actually commit any offense here, so what justice is there to face? and you cant compel her to provide information, thats wishful thinking. so we take option to remove citizenship for people that dont want to be part of our society.

 

[GT49er]

The problem I have with this is as follows: imagine a scenario where a 15 year old middle class white kid becomes indoctrinated with white power hate, and trots off to the USA to join a camp run by the KKK where he learns to create nail bombs, specifically to be placed in black areas of London. Then our authorities find out what he's doing and refuse him entry back into the country at Heathrow while they consider the implications of doing so. Can you imagine any scenario whatsoever where that boy is unrepentant but wants entry back into the country and is refused?

Of course not. Qwhite an interesting difference isn't it?

Interesting difference? Classic whataboutery more like.


Having opened that post out of curiousity, I can see why I've had you on ignore for years!

 

[Smirko]

Excellent judgement. No way should she be allowed back in the UK.

 

[Hampster Gull]

The system has failed.

As a British subject she should be back here to face justice, we need to know what happened, who are the ring leaders etc...

Indeed. British, corrupted here, our problem to fix.

 

[Chicken Run]

The problem I have with this is as follows: imagine a scenario where a 15 year old middle class white kid becomes indoctrinated with white power hate, and trots off to the USA to join a camp run by the KKK where he learns to create nail bombs, specifically to be placed in black areas of London. Then our authorities find out what he's doing and refuse him entry back into the country at Heathrow while they consider the implications of doing so. Can you imagine any scenario whatsoever where that boy is unrepentant but wants entry back into the country and is refused?

Of course not. Qwhite an interesting difference isn't it?

Whilst I have sympathy with your view on this I’m not sure there are many examples of your analogy if any at all, so therefore you are guilty of whataboutary, that said I’m a little closer to your view than others on here [emoji106]

 

[Chicken Run]

Given the charges and the admissions she’s made it would be quite a fail by the state to not get conviction.

The human rights lawyers would ensure the CPS failed miserably and the home office know this.

 

[banjo]

As long as she’s not a vegan, I recon give her a second chance.

I’ll stick with my original post.

 

[blue-shifted]

I have absolutely no idea what the right answer to this dilemma is ....

Hope i've really managed to add value to the discussion

 

[marlowe]

I’m against the death penalty.

But if a member of my family was murdered, I’d happily smash the murderer to a pulp with a baseball bat.

Legal decisions should be made by calm and wise heads not emotional participants.

Were the judges in the Court of Appeal who had decided she could return to the UK not sufficiently wise, calm or emotionally uninvested?

Legal decisions are often based on the luck of the draw on which judges are sitting at any given hearing, and the decions they make are inevitably influenced by their own personal ideologies and prejudices, aptitudes and shortcomings.

 

[Pondicherry]

Maybe we could set aside a part of the world where all stateless people are sent to live. Like Australia.

 

[RossyG]

Were the judges in the Court of Appeal who had decided she could return to the UK not sufficiently wise, calm or emotionally uninvested?

Obviously not.

Legal decisions are often based on the luck of the draw on which judges are sitting at any given hearing, and the decions they make are inevitably influenced by their own personal ideologies and prejudices, aptitudes and shortcomings.

The one case I was a juror on had a very sane and fair judge, I thought. But I agree that this can certainly be an issue.

 

[Simster]

Interesting difference? Classic whataboutery more like.


Having opened that post out of curiousity, I can see why I've had you on ignore for years!

Wow! Someone has actually bothered to put me on ignore!

Shame really because this is predominantly an Albion football board and I've found myself agreeing with almost everything you say on that subject.

As for this accusation of whataboutery, I can't really see it. My issue with the way she has been treated is that she was a minor at the time. I've evoked that white middle class example simply because had she been white, middle class and of a traditional Christian background, I don't think we'd have seen this.

Maybe I should have just left the example to one side and asked whether you'd expect YOUR 15 year old son or daughter to have citizenship revoked for the crime of falling into the clutches of a murderous mindset. I just worry this is all about pandering to a certain type of person rather than doing what is right and expected by a country of our world standing.

 

[RossyG]

I've evoked that white middle class example simply because had she been white, middle class and of a traditional Christian background, I don't think we'd have seen this.

If she'd been, say, a Polish convert from Christianity who'd run off to IS then I can't see as the outcome would've been more positive for her.

 

[marlowe]

Obviously not.



The one case I was a juror on had a very sane and fair judge, I thought. But I agree that this can certainly be an issue.

Your first comment is a very worrying indictment of the fallibility of our judicial system, but as your second comment acknowledges is a matter of genuine concern.