[Politics] British IS Girl wanting to return to the UK

[carlzeiss]

Shamima Begum 'was member of feared Isis morality police' in Syria

Prime minister reportedly briefed on claims teenager sewed bombers into suicide vests

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...a-morality-police-suicide-belts-a8869016.html

 

[cloud]

That is truly shocking. How could anyone behave in that way?

 

[Easy 10]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47934721

She's been granted legal aid to fight the decision.

I think the Daily Mail is possibly about to explode.

 

[Baker lite]

I think if she is not granted legal aid David Lammy will explode.


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[sydney]

This is a pretty rotten line of thinking. This is the same line of thought palistinian crazies use to murder innocent isreali babies, saying that if they grow up they will join the army. Pretty horrific stuff. Self proclaimed “modern western” thought used to be about innocent until proven guilty, now we’ve rolled back the dials and presume guilt and atrocity from birth? Really?

No one wins here. This is showing us just how much we have lost as a society.

which society are you referring to.... the independent is usually quite impartial/neutral......have a reader the article , there are enough fruit loops in Britain as it is , we don't need be importing them unnecessarily ......imo

 

[wellquickwoody]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47934721

She's been granted legal aid to fight the decision.

I think the Daily Mail is possibly about to explode.

And possibly rightly so, when a Brit who went to fight against Isis is possibly facing charges relating to terrorism! No, I have not got a link but was just shown on BBC One O'Clock news.

 

[Gwylan]

There's a great article by the Secret Barrister where he/she points out that it's absolutely right and proper that Begum is granted legal aid. It goes into lots of detail but the closing paragraph is well worth quoting

"So when the Mail invites its readers to fulminate and howl and ask Why should the public pay for this awful woman’s legal aid?, the answer that should be given – by our Lord Chancellor, preferably, as the person with the statutory obligation to uphold the rule of law – is because that is the price of living under the rule of law. If you’d rather exist in a society where the rules are not applied equally, where your entitlement to a fair trial is dependent on the whims of government officials or the roar of the effigy-burning mob or the deepness of your pockets, there are plenty of countries out there willing to oblige."

 

[studio150]

There's a great article by the Secret Barrister where he/she points out that it's absolutely right and proper that Begum is granted legal aid. It goes into lots of detail but the closing paragraph is well worth quoting

"So when the Mail invites its readers to fulminate and howl and ask Why should the public pay for this awful woman’s legal aid?, the answer that should be given – by our Lord Chancellor, preferably, as the person with the statutory obligation to uphold the rule of law – is because that is the price of living under the rule of law. If you’d rather exist in a society where the rules are not applied equally, where your entitlement to a fair trial is dependent on the whims of government officials or the roar of the effigy-burning mob or the deepness of your pockets, there are plenty of countries out there willing to oblige."

This puts the rationale extremely well.

In our society everyone regardless of the nature of their crimes is entitled to a fair trial, and where they have insufficient funds, they should be provided with legal aid.

The wider question is what effect has the clawing back on legal aid by the Tories had on our society and are people accepting guilty verdicts as they are refused legal aid, and have insufficient funds themselves to robustly defend the charges against them.

 

[green_cross_code_man]

There's a great article by the Secret Barrister where he/she points out that it's absolutely right and proper that Begum is granted legal aid. It goes into lots of detail but the closing paragraph is well worth quoting

"So when the Mail invites its readers to fulminate and howl and ask Why should the public pay for this awful woman’s legal aid?, the answer that should be given – by our Lord Chancellor, preferably, as the person with the statutory obligation to uphold the rule of law – is because that is the price of living under the rule of law. If you’d rather exist in a society where the rules are not applied equally, where your entitlement to a fair trial is dependent on the whims of government officials or the roar of the effigy-burning mob or the deepness of your pockets, there are plenty of countries out there willing to oblige."

Not a mail reader, but perhaps then the law should change so that those who choose to go and fight against our country are automatically disallowed from aid.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Not a mail reader, but perhaps then the law should change so that those who choose to go and fight against our country are automatically disallowed from aid.

Isn’t there a bit of a flaw in your suggestion? In order for you to apply your disqualification, you are effectively finding them guilty BEFORE they’ve been tried, or had the opportunity to contest those charges

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Not a mail reader, but perhaps then the law should change so that those who choose to go and fight against our country are automatically disallowed from aid.

Why have you chosen a username which is very similar to a NSC regular? Not just very similar but almost identical?

 

[green_cross_code_man]

Isn’t there a bit of a flaw in your suggestion? In order for you to apply your disqualification, you are effectively finding them guilty BEFORE they’ve been tried, or had the opportunity to contest those charges

You are right. It just seems to go against the grain and natural justice. She went off to war against our country. She is a traitor in my view.

 

[green_cross_code_man]

Why have you chosen a username which is very similar to a NSC regular? Not just very similar but almost identical?

Oh that's weird. I am me. I am sorry, I had trouble with Tapatalk yesterday and it's signed me in weirdly.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Oh that's weird. I am me. I am sorry, I had trouble with Tapatalk yesterday and it's signed me in weirdly.

Sorted out now. Sorry.

 

[drew]

Sorted out now. Sorry.

That must be a record, 19 posts to 14,000 in the space of 13 minutes!!!

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

That must be a record, 19 posts to 14,000 in the space of 13 minutes!!!

Haha. It's good to finally achieve something.

 

[Palacefinder General]

Today’s the day, citizenship could be reinstated. Time to forgive and move on or one for the Bear Pit?

 

[GT49er]

Today’s the day, citizenship could be reinstated. Time to forgive and move on or one for the Bear Pit?

I guess if anybody bothered to trawl back through 700 odd posts it probably would be in the Bear Pit!



Maybe best if it did go there - I doubt there'll be much forgiveness floating around.

 

[Acker79]

Today’s the day, citizenship could be reinstated. Time to forgive and move on or one for the Bear Pit?

Isn't today just about her being able to return to argue her case in person?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/16/shamima-begum-wins-right-to-return-to-uk Because the news just out is that the appeal court has said she can come back. Would seem a bit of a rush job to get her back here today for the a court case today.

 

[Grombleton]

Isn't today just about her being able to return to argue her case in person?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/16/shamima-begum-wins-right-to-return-to-uk Because the news just out is that the appeal court has said she can come back. Would seem a bit of a rush job to get her back here today for the a court case today.

Correct. She's won the right to come back to fight her case, but the case isn't today.