Brighton in top five most congested cities

[Notters]

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11253951.congestion_increases_in_brighton_and_hove/

I'm pleased to see our Green council has done so well.

How many times does it need to be said that a) We don't have a Green Council and never have done, and b) The schemes had cross-party support. It really is infuriating at best and slanderous at worst.

 

[The Large One]

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11253951.congestion_increases_in_brighton_and_hove/

I'm pleased to see our Green council has done so well.

Yes, because The Green Party of England and Wales invented traffic congestion.

Outrageous we should have slipped from third to fifth during their tenure.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Rip down all the traffic lights and ban pedestrians & cyclists.

Or the complete opposite.

 

[symyjym]

A lack of central parking doesn't help as often there are long queues of traffic for these car parks which don't move very fast (waiting for spaces to become available) and have the knock on affect of tailing back into other roads which slows traffic there too. It could mean that traffic along the seafront can use 2 lanes instead of one and dispurse quicker, preventing congestion back to the pier roundabout and furtehr afield like past the level.

Maybe there should be another multi-storey and/ or underground car park or two built in the area.

Yep, I have always thought that car parking should be created under Hove Lawns and even under the bowling greens west of the King Alfred and before The View in Hove. At least then visitors to the City can come into Hove via Snakey Hill and Sackville Road to park under Hove seafront, instead of all of them clogging up London Road and the Old Steine heading for the Brighton Centre car park.

 

[Stat Brother]

"Nobody goes there any more -- it's too crowded."
Yogi Berra

Too many pickernic baskets.

 

[portslade seagull]

In Dr Anthony Seldon's 2002 book Brave New City: Brighton & Hove, Past, Present & Future, he argues that with a certain amount of imagination, someone could set up a water-taxi business at sea from the Adur in the west to the Ouse in the east.

I guess you'd have to learn how to flatten the waves first, though.

He also suggests running the coast road underground, and building an integrated tram or monorail system capable of running overground and underground across the city. He'd have to do a bit more than look down the back of the sofa to fork out for that, mind.

yes but all the above would have cycle lanes to meet the zany Greens targets to bring the city to a standstill

 

[portslade seagull]

Yes, because The Green Party of England and Wales invented traffic congestion.

Outrageous we should have slipped from third to fifth during their tenure.

They haven't helped it lets be honest making main artery roads single lane so swampy can ride a bike but they still prefer the pavements which makes cycle lanes a mockery

 

[The Large One]

yes but all the above would have cycle lanes to meet the zany Greens targets to bring the city to a standstill

They haven't helped it lets be honest making main artery roads single lane so swampy can ride a bike but they still prefer the pavements which makes cycle lanes a mockery

That's twice in two posts that you've referred to the oft-repeated fallacy regarding the city's cycle lanes.

Don't suppose you fancy going for the hat-trick?

 

[vegster]

In Dr Anthony Seldon's 2002 book Brave New City: Brighton & Hove, Past, Present & Future, he argues that with a certain amount of imagination, someone could set up a water-taxi business at sea from the Adur in the west to the Ouse in the east.

I guess you'd have to learn how to flatten the waves first, though.

He also suggests running the coast road underground, and building an integrated tram or monorail system capable of running overground and underground across the city. He'd have to do a bit more than look down the back of the sofa to fork out for that, mind.

Totally impractical, you could never dampen the waves enough for the poor old commuters especially in winter, there would be chaos as they spilt their Costa coffee's over each other and short circuited each others headphones.

 

[mistahclarke]

He also suggests running the coast road underground, and building an integrated tram or monorail system capable of running overground and underground across the city. He'd have to do a bit more than look down the back of the sofa to fork out for that, mind.

Monorail, monorail! It put Ogdenville on the map.

The problem for me is trying to get from Hanover across Lewes road and London road. All the f'ing roadworks don't help.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Monorail, monorail! It put Ogdenville on the map.

Have you been to North Haverbrook lately?

 

[fataddick]

Feck's sake why do we still (in 2014) even pander to these car-owning cretins. Ban all private cars from a line roughly South of Elm Grove and Old Shoreham Road. You'd make the entire city more popular/profitable for tourists, students and firms at a stroke. Groningen, an obscure town in Holland, did this 20-ish years ago and turned from a provincial backwater to one of Europe's most profitable towns overnight. Generally speaking, only c***s own cars. Getting rid of the c***s is the best thing any town or city can do.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Feck's sake why do we still (in 2014) even pander to these car-owning cretins. Ban all private cars from a line roughly South of Elm Grove and Old Shoreham Road. You'd make the entire city more popular/profitable for tourists, students and firms at a stroke. Groningen, an obscure town in Holland, did this 20-ish years ago and turned from a provincial backwater to one of Europe's most profitable towns overnight. Generally speaking, only c***s own cars. Getting rid of the c***s is the best thing any town or city can do.

What an idiot.

 

[fataddick]

What an idiot.

If by idiot you mean truth speaker, then yes I am.

Email Groningen and ask them what they did - town of same size and demographics as Brighton banned cars and ended up as most prosperous and aspired to town in Northern Europe.

I have lived in Brighton over 20 years and never met or known a car owner. The car users aren't Brightonians they are from Worthing, Patcham, Portslade etc, they don't care what damage their moron trolleys do to Brighton as they don't live here. Kick them out. We don't want or need them. Sussex won't be druv, so drivers can **** off.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Monorail, monorail! It put Ogdenville on the map.

The problem for me is trying to get from Hanover across Lewes road and London road. All the f'ing roadworks don't help.

Cable cars. A bit Where Eagles Dare, but there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

If by idiot you mean truth speaker, then yes I am.

Email Groningen and ask them what they did - town of same size and demographics as Brighton banned cars and ended up as most prosperous and aspired to town in Northern Europe.

I have lived in Brighton over 20 years and never met or known a car owner. The car users aren't Brightonians they are from Worthing, Patcham, Portslade etc, they don't care what damage their moron trolleys do to Brighton as they don't live here. Kick them out. We don't want or need them. Sussex won't be druv, so drivers can **** off.

Most of your statements are ridiculous but 'never met or known a car owner in 20 years'? Extraordinary.

 

[fataddick]

Most of your statements are ridiculous but 'never met or known a car owner in 20 years'? Extraordinary.

I may have met some but none of my friends (and I have more than 30) have ever driven or aspired to drive. You find that odd? I guess I don't hang out at the same sort of places - racetracks, red light districts, illegal dog fighting rinks, whatever - that you do. There is no reason for anyone whose job isn't as a professional driver to own or use a vehicle in Central Brighton. Those that do are at best scum and at worst contract killers. Sad that you defend them. How do you even sleep at night?

 

[LargeHadronZugzwang]

Not sure the vitriol is constructive but fataddick is entirely right. It is easy to ridicule those calling for more pedestrian areas and cycle lanes. Realistically, car dependency is now at saturation point; one billion or thereabouts. There are 30 million cars in this small island of ours. If you tell people that 50% of the World's oil comes from giants discovered over forty years ago: then in all likelihood they will not bat an eyelid. Think we all going to be travelling around in driverless electric cars? Nay Mr Wilkes. You want the entire Sussex Weald fracked? There's a billion barrels down there; ho hum. Do we want an unliveable Countryside coupled with blighted towns? Groningen is one example, Bogotá is another. As the the Mayor of the latter said "A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It's where the rich use public transportation.”

Cameron's answer to the pollution of London recently was to not go out running for the day. The Queen's speech now means they can frack anywhere. Unless car dependency is stopped, we are going to be stuck in a circular argument. End of the day, the wallet will decide, but measures can be taken to enhance our cities and to stop the poisoning of the Planet.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Not sure the vitriol is constructive but fataddick is entirely right. It is easy to ridicule those calling for more pedestrian areas and cycle lanes. Realistically, car dependency is now at saturation point; one billion or thereabouts. There are 30 million cars in this small island of ours. If you tell people that 50% of the World's oil comes from giants discovered over forty years ago: then in all likelihood they will not bat an eyelid. Think we all going to be travelling around in driverless electric cars? Nay Mr Wilkes. You want the entire Sussex Weald fracked? There's a billion barrels down there; ho hum. Do we want an unliveable Countryside coupled with blighted towns? Groningen is one example, Bogotá is another. As the the Mayor of the latter said "A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It's where the rich use public transportation.”

Cameron's answer to the pollution of London recently was to not go out running for the day. The Queen's speech now means they can frack anywhere. Unless car dependency is stopped, we are going to be stuck in a circular argument. End of the day, the wallet will decide, but measures can be taken to enhance our cities and to stop the poisoning of the Planet.

Good post. As you say fataddick actually loses the effect of some good points by burying them under his vitriolic attack on car owners. As a car owner, I can see the need for change but using language that brands all car owners as c**ts and saying they can all f*ck off is offensive and hardly likely to win others to the cause.

 

[Prettyboyshaw]

I may have met some but none of my friends (and I have more than 30) have ever driven or aspired to drive. You find that odd? I guess I don't hang out at the same sort of places - racetracks, red light districts, illegal dog fighting rinks, whatever - that you do. There is no reason for anyone whose job isn't as a professional driver to own or use a vehicle in Central Brighton. Those that do are at best scum and at worst contract killers. Sad that you defend them. How do you even sleep at night?

Suck on my 4.7l v8's exhaust and gas yourself, there's a good boy.