Brighton & Hove Albion accused of 'unlawful act'...

[Barrel of Fun]

Would it not have implications on future investment in football clubs, if Leeds were seen to get away with their CVA ploy? It is bad enough that football creditors are first in the queue. Seeing as the British taxpayer ended up footing the bill, I think there would be plenty of people that would be hacked off if Leeds were to regain their 15 point deduction.

I think they are extremely lucky to be allowed to compete at all. Other clubs have faced stiffer penalties for misdemeanours. If the decision is upheld, it will restore a minute bit of faith in the system.

It is time to stop teams like Leicester, Leeds et al making a mockery of the system.

There must be a good case for a wage cap to come in, but I can’t see that happening.

 

[Curious Orange]

To be fair, I have mentally added 15 points to leads points total since they had them docked, whatever you think about the off the field dealings, the points they scored were points they earned fairly. It wouldnt bother me if we missed out on the playoffs in the event they had the points reinstated, I don't hold any grudges. To me, it's all about the fans, it's their club not the Bates's of this world, and although Leeds dont have the greatest history of well behaving fans, you cannot deny the majority are fanatical without being thugs!

If this happened to us, it's the fans that would be most effected, it's no different with Leeds.

Give them a financial penalty, for sure, fine them £1m or sommat, but give them their points back and stop messing about.

Okay, we'll have our 3 points back for the York "riot" then.

 

[sten_super]

When Leeds announced that they were appealing the decision, the FL should have gone to them and said that they were willing to rip up the agreement about the 15 point penalty and the Golden Share. Then take the Golden Share off them and tell them to f*** OFF.

 

[Nemesis]

To be fair, I have mentally added 15 points to leads points total since they had them docked, whatever you think about the off the field dealings, the points they scored were points they earned fairly. It wouldnt bother me if we missed out on the playoffs in the event they had the points reinstated, I don't hold any grudges. To me, it's all about the fans, it's their club not the Bates's of this world, and although Leeds dont have the greatest history of well behaving fans, you cannot deny the majority are fanatical without being thugs!

If this happened to us, it's the fans that would be most effected, it's no different with Leeds.

Give them a financial penalty, for sure, fine them £1m or sommat, but give them their points back and stop messing about.

Leeds fans were quite happy to bask in the not paid for glory of European football, they were quite happy to see all kinds of money spent on players they couldn't afford-helping push up the cost of mediocre players, thereby affecting all smaller clubs. Their fans did sweet F.A. to encourage the club to be run properly-they didn't (and don't) give a shit about all the people Leeds f***ing United screwed financially.

Your option of a £1 Million fine-is that with time to pay? Say over 10 years, so they can wriggle out of yet another financial obligation? Leeds has to be the scummiest football club on the planet bar none.

I have absolutely no sympathy with their fans, I hate their poxy club. Boot them into the Conference where they should have gone in the first place.

That is all...

ps: Thanks for the loan of Westlake.

 

[beorhthelm]

This is a civil matter between a club and the FL. at the bottom of it, it's nothing more than a contract dispute. so how is anything "unlawful"? this is just grandstaning.

If the other clubs want to get together and simple expel Leeds AFC from the league they can do, and if they carry on this saga i wouldnt be surprised if there was such a move in the summer.

 

[readingstockport]

Stockport County were one of a few clubs who voted against the imposition of the 15 point penalty. When challenged on this our chairman explained that we voted against the 15 point penalty not because we thought it should be less but because we thought it should be more, even to the extent of leeds losing their share.

 

[Scoffers]

Okay, we'll have our 3 points back for the York "riot" then.

Er, two points wasn't it? I can remember singing something like "You can stick your two points up your arse" repeat, repeat until hoarse

 

[Scoffers]

Leeds fans were quite happy to bask in the not paid for glory of European football, they were quite happy to see all kinds of money spent on players they couldn't afford-helping push up the cost of mediocre players, thereby affecting all smaller clubs. Their fans did sweet F.A. to encourage the club to be run properly-they didn't (and don't) give a shit about all the people Leeds f***ing United screwed financially.

Your option of a £1 Million fine-is that with time to pay? Say over 10 years, so they can wriggle out of yet another financial obligation? Leeds has to be the scummiest football club on the planet bar none.

I have absolutely no sympathy with their fans, I hate their poxy club. Boot them into the Conference where they should have gone in the first place.

Ok, the £1m fine wasn't thought out, I admit that
BUT, i can't agree with your attack on the Leeds fans, that's utter BS, how can the fans dictate how the club is run financially? They wont be allowed to see the balance sheet, they dont buy the players and agree the wages, they just want to see the best players, we wouldnt be any different.

It seems to me that most folks on this board want to see Leeds go the way of the Conference just because Leeds are "northern scum". Just because some of their fans cause trouble, and just because they are north of Watford, and just because their Board are a bunch of scoundrels, shouldn't diminsh the fact that 95% of Leeds fans are just passionate Football fans like the rest of us, who can not effect how their Board acts anymore than they can race on to the pitch and score the winning goal for their team.

Some of you need to grow up.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

But how is ensuring that Leeds stay in this division ruining the club? The authorities need to take a stand against this sort of mismanagement to ensure that the clubs existence is not threatened! By making an example and punishing a club of acting immorally/improperly might just be the saving grace for clubs in the future, when said club is buying (on credit) their way to potential success.

So they may have to stay in League One for another season. It is not the end of the world. The fans still have a club to follow and they are lucky to do so in my opinion.

 

[Scoffers]

But how is ensuring that Leeds stay in this division ruining the club? The authorities need to take a stand against this sort of mismanagement to ensure that the clubs existence is not threatened! By making an example and punishing a club of acting immorally/improperly might just be the saving grace for clubs in the future, when said club is buying (on credit) their way to potential success.

So they may have to stay in League One for another season. It is not the end of the world. The fans still have a club to follow and they are lucky to do so in my opinion.

Is that a response to my post? If so, I don't disagree. My beef is with people on the board who aren't interested in the realities of Leeds situation, who just want to condemn them because they are Leeds.

 

[sten_super]

Is that a response to my post? If so, I don't disagree. My beef is with people on the board who aren't interested in the realities of Leeds situation, who just want to condemn them because they are Leeds.

I appreciate that you probably believe that my earlier post falls into this bracket. I don't like Leeds, but I don't particularly hate them. However the way that they have run slip-shod over the rules on more than one occasion in recent years deserves punishment. Of course the fans are the ones that ultimately lose out; but a stand needs to be made to stop the people running these clubs from taking the piss. It seems that there is now a tide of Leeds fans turning against Bates; however for now the only people that can constrain or control to any degree the management of the football club are the Football League. And the easiest way to destroy Bates' investment and make sure he fucks off out of football forever is to punish the club.

 

[severnside gull]

I have sympathy for Leeds United's claims. How would we feel if Albion were docked fifteen points because of what the club's accountants did?

Excuse me?

The accountants are employed by Leeds to represent their interests. They are as much "Leeds Utd" as the chairman and the players.
If the players don't perform the club suffers
If the chairman makes bad decisions the club suffers
If the accountants are in error (acting on the guidance of the board) the club suffers


Tough

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

But what about the fans of the clubs that have lost points to a team that were bought and (not) paid for by a club that then reneged on it's debts?

Leeds were in a false position because they spent money they didn't have. Fans from other clubs have lost out because of this - which fans have a more legitimate reason to be upset?

 

[Scoffers]

I appreciate that you probably believe that my earlier post falls into this bracket. I don't like Leeds, but I don't particularly hate them. However the way that they have run slip-shod over the rules on more than one occasion in recent years deserves punishment. Of course the fans are the ones that ultimately lose out; but a stand needs to be made to stop the people running these clubs from taking the piss. It seems that there is now a tide of Leeds fans turning against Bates; however for now the only people that can constrain or control to any degree the management of the football club are the Football League. And the easiest way to destroy Bates' investment and make sure he fucks off out of football forever is to punish the club.

Fair enough, but it's the FA's responsibility to stop them cheating the system. It's no different in the business world, if a company can find a loop hole, they'll exploit it to the full, then it's up to the government to plug that hole. Bates is a successful business man, and he became such by using every underhand "black hat" process to get what he wants, and he's just applying that to Leeds. Most of what he does is not comprehensible by most fans, but most of the time it's effective in business terms.

To me, the FA are more at fault than Leeds, the 10 point deduction for going into administration should have been written in such as way as to stop clubs implementing it when by implementing they wouldnt be worse off, ie they are already likely to get relegated.

 

[Bars Mar]

This is a civil matter between a club and the FL. at the bottom of it, it's nothing more than a contract dispute. so how is anything "unlawful"? this is just grandstaning.

If the other clubs want to get together and simple expel Leeds AFC from the league they can do, and if they carry on this saga i wouldnt be surprised if there was such a move in the summer.

I Quite Agree. I Had A Similar Experience With A Private Club In Brighton Of Which I Used To Be A Member. One Of The Hostesses Made An Allegation About Me That Was Completely Without Foundation And Based On A Complete Misunderstanding. I Was Forcibly Ejected And Expelled From The Club. I Was Considering Suing Them And Forcing Them To Revoke The Ban But A Friend At Work Who's A Community Police Support Officer And Knows About The Law Told Me That It's A Civil Issue And The Courts Would Not Want To Know. I Also Had To Weigh Up Whether I Wanted The Allegations To Be A Public Matter.

Leeds Should Do What I Did. Take It On The Chin And Walk Away.

 

[Row Z Creased Shirt]

To me, the FA are more at fault than Leeds, the 10 point deduction for going into administration should have been written in such as way as to stop clubs implementing it when by implementing they wouldnt be worse off, ie they are already likely to get relegated.

As i understand it the original 10pts deduction was for going into administration last season and that is the regulation penalty for that.

The 15pts deduction was for all the irregularities involved in coming out of administration. Leeds were at risk of not getting their Golden Share back as a result of this, they were eventually handed a 15pt penalty which they ACCEPTED, and then recieved their golden share so they were eligible to take part in the coming season. Having already accepted the punishment I cannot see that they have leg to stand on.

I can't see how the FA are at fault on this one at all, other than bottling out of denying Leeds their Golden Share in the first place.

 

[readingstockport]

As i understand it the original 10pts deduction was for going into administration last season and that is the regulation penalty for that.

The 15pts deduction was for all the irregularities involved in coming out of administration. Leeds were at risk of not getting their Golden Share back as a result of this, they were eventually handed a 15pt penalty which they ACCEPTED, and then recieved their golden share so they were eligible to take part in the coming season. Having already accepted the punishment I cannot see that they have leg to stand on.

I can't see how the FA are at fault on this one at all, other than bottling out of denying Leeds their Golden Share in the first place.

IIRC leeds were in danger of not being out of administration when the fixtures were announced and for some reason this would have meant them not being included in the fixtures, effectively kicking them out of the league. So wanker bates broke the rules to exit administration and now is whining about the penalty for doing so.

 

[Anchorman]

Far from assuming that Leeds have little chance of getting any points back, take a look at this extract from the Racing Post. The odds may have been cut but they are still way in their favour.

Leeds 11-4 to fail in bid for points return



by Mark Langdon
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LEEDShave been well backed with Skybet to lose next month's court case against the Football League, writes Mark Langdon.

Skybet originally went 11-2 about Ken Bates failing to get their 15-point deduction reduced at the arbitration meeting on April 14, butthat is now just 11-4 following sustained support.

Despite the price cut, odds-compiler John Rhodes is confident Bates will be successful.

“Given Bates's determined quest against the Football League to recover points, we feel Leeds will be returnedsome, if not all, of the 15 points by the end of the season,” said Rhodes. “We are happy to lay a zero-point verdict.”
Six to ten points is 6-4 favourite in the market and Leeds to receive their full quota are 7-2.

Watford head to Championship leaders Bristol City this evening and Aidy Boothroyd believes their experience could be a key factor.

He said: “I've always believed at this time of the season you get to see people like oranges – you squeeze them and some of them tend to capitulate. Thankfully we've been here before in high-pressure situations.”

Skybet – how many points will Leeds get back? 11-4 none, 11-4 one to five, 6-4 six to ten, 7-2 11 to 15.

 

[Storer68]

I have sympathy for Leeds United's claims. How would we feel if Albion were docked fifteen points because of what the club's accountants did?

on the instructions of their chairman though.

 

[glasfryn]

blahdy blahdy blah they broke the rules and just because they have a complex about the fact that they were once a "great" club they think everyone should take notice of them,they overspent on second rate players and although it has an effect on the fans its unfortunate thems the rules.