[Brighton] Brighton cat killer found guilty

[Tyrone Biggums]

It sounds like it's as close as you are going to get.

Still, I expect you do other stuff to protect native animals to add to your 9 feral cats (habitat loss through urban expansion, login and mining is also a big issue).

I have seen you talk about the killing feral animals a few times on here but never any of your other actions to protect native animals.

Probably a coincidence though. Or that they won't get your desired reaction from the cat loving poms.

Isn't killing feral animals one of the best ways to protect native animals?

I mean you're literally using your own resources i.e money and time to go and do it.

Rather than questioning people actually doing something, go have a pop at all those shit ***** who let their cats wander around doing whatever they please.

 

[BadFish]

Isn't killing feral animals one of the best ways to protect native animals?

I mean you're literally using your own resources i.e money and time to go and do it.

Rather than questioning people actually doing something, go have a pop at all those shit ***** who let their cats wander around doing whatever they please.

Those people aren't blurring the lines between domestic and feral cats and then gleefully boasting about killing them. I was just offering a bit of balance and background to your (weird) boasts about killing cats by offering a little insight into the feral cat problem over here.

Here is a bit more if anyone is interested.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/26/asia/feral-cats-australia-intl/index.html

There isn't as much of a feral cat problem in the UK so this thread was/is about domestic cats. This thread was/is always going to be visited by people who like cats (but let's face it, you know this).

This is why I am questioning both your motives for killing animals and of posting on this thread about it.

As far as cat owners who let their cats out. Although I agree that this is an environmental issue I would suggest that it is fairly low down the list of damaging practices in terms of environmental problems. Unless of course, you pretend that it is part of the much more damaging feral cat problem (to excuse yourself from shooting stuff).

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Those people aren't blurring the lines between domestic and feral cats and then gleefully boasting about killing them. I was just offering a bit of balance and background to your (weird) boasts about killing cats by offering a little insight into the feral cat problem over here.

Here is a bit more if anyone is interested.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/26/asia/feral-cats-australia-intl/index.html

There isn't as much of a feral cat problem in the UK so this thread was/is about domestic cats. This thread was/is always going to be visited by people who like cats (but let's face it, you know this).

This is why I am questioning both your motives for killing animals and of posting on this thread about it.

As far as cat owners who let their cats out. Although I agree that this is an environmental issue I would suggest that it is fairly low down the list of damaging practices in terms of environmental problems. Unless of course, you pretend that it is part of the much more damaging feral cat problem (to excuse yourself from shooting stuff).

How many times does it have to be said that there is very little line between feral and pet cats? Cat's will kill regardless of if they have an owner or not.

Any cat that is allowed to be wandering about outside of its own property is part of the problem.

So you'd agree then that if a cat owner is happy to let their cat wander around knowing it will potentially kill at types of creatures they have a sadistic nature?

They fully accept it's a possibility but let it happen anyway.

Would these cats have met the fate they did at the hand of this looney if they were confined to their own premise?

 

[BadFish]

How many times does it have to be said that there is very little line between feral and pet cats? Cat's will kill regardless of if they have an owner or not.

Any cat that is allowed to be wandering about outside of its own property is part of the problem.

So you'd agree then that if a cat owner is happy to let their cat wander around knowing it will potentially kill at types of creatures they have a sadistic nature?

They fully accept it's a possibility but let it happen anyway.

Would these cats have met the fate they did at the hand of this looney if they were confined to their own premise?

Well you can say it as much as you like but I remain unconvinced. Feel free to show me some evidence or numbers that show that domestic cats are anywhere near as damaging as feral cats.

 

[BadFish]

How many times does it have to be said that there is very little line between feral and pet cats? Cat's will kill regardless of if they have an owner or not.

Any cat that is allowed to be wandering about outside of its own property is part of the problem.

So you'd agree then that if a cat owner is happy to let their cat wander around knowing it will potentially kill at types of creatures they have a sadistic nature?

They fully accept it's a possibility but let it happen anyway.

Would these cats have met the fate they did at the hand of this looney if they were confined to their own premise?

Okay, so I was interested to find some facts on this this interesting piece of research.

"On average, each feral cat in the bush kills a whopping 740 animals per year. In a year with average conditions, there are about 2.8 million feral cats, but that figure can double when good rain leads to an abundance of prey animals.

"On average each pet cat kills about 75 animals per year, but many of these kills are never witnessed by their owners.

https://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/cats-kill-more-than-15-billion-native-animals-per-year


(from what I can see there are around 4 million pet cats in Australia. The number of feral cats seems to be fairly unknown, I have read estimates anywhere between 3 and 11 million)

https://www.canstar.com.au/pet-insurance/how-much-do-we-spend-on-our-pets/
https://www.wires.org.au/wildlife-info/wildlife-factsheets/domestic-pets-and-wildlife
https://kb.rspca.org.au/knowledge-base/how-many-pets-are-there-in-australia/
https://pestsmart.org.au/toolkit-resource/feral-cats-in-australia-2/

This means that pet cats kill around 300 million native animals a year (Certainly a problem) and feral cats kill somewhere between 2,220 million and 8,140 million native animals a year (a far far greater problem)

A fair difference, I am sure you will agree.

I know that treating this issue as one single problem gives you the chance to hate on cats and boast on the internet to people talking about domestic cats.

However, looking at the figures above, one of these problems is far more serious than the other. More than this though, I think that treating these issues as two separate issues means that two separate solutions can be explored. In fact, even a cat-hating homicidal maniac like yourself would have to agree that the solutions for each of these problems have to be entirely different?

 

[maltaseagull]

Vitally important to the native wildlife population here.

So doing something more important than someone like you would ever do.

You know nothing about me .
Go kill some wildlife.

Moron

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

You know nothing about me .
Go kill some wildlife.

Moron

And you know nothing about people who hunt, arseclown.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Well you can say it as much as you like but I remain unconvinced. Feel free to show me some evidence or numbers that show that domestic cats are anywhere near as damaging as feral cats.

Anywhere near as damaging? If they are damaging at all it's an issue isn't it?


From a Government website:


The impact of domestic pets on native wildlife

A wide variety of native animals, ranging from the more common species like possums, kangaroos, wallabies, lizards and many species of bird, to rarer or threatened species such as bandicoots, koalas and quolls, may be at risk from domestic pets in urban areas.

Cats are by nature instinctive hunters and are more likely to kill birds and lizards. Even though their human owners carefully meet their pet's requirements for food and shelter, instinctive hunting and chasing behaviour will continue.

Domestic pets also occur in high numbers in urban areas, where native animal numbers are fewer. So even though each individual animal may only kill or injure a small number of native animals, it has a bigger effect on the already reduced population.


It's not that controversial.

Keep ya cat inside and don't let it wander around where ever it likes should be the only option. Same as dogs.

 

[maltaseagull]

Okay, so I was interested to find some facts on this this interesting piece of research.

"On average, each feral cat in the bush kills a whopping 740 animals per year. In a year with average conditions, there are about 2.8 million feral cats, but that figure can double when good rain leads to an abundance of prey animals.

"On average each pet cat kills about 75 animals per year, but many of these kills are never witnessed by their owners.

https://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/cats-kill-more-than-15-billion-native-animals-per-year


(from what I can see there are around 4 million pet cats in Australia. The number of feral cats seems to be fairly unknown, I have read estimates anywhere between 3 and 11 million)

https://www.canstar.com.au/pet-insurance/how-much-do-we-spend-on-our-pets/
https://www.wires.org.au/wildlife-info/wildlife-factsheets/domestic-pets-and-wildlife
https://kb.rspca.org.au/knowledge-base/how-many-pets-are-there-in-australia/
https://pestsmart.org.au/toolkit-resource/feral-cats-in-australia-2/

This means that pet cats kill around 300 million native animals a year (Certainly a problem) and feral cats kill somewhere between 2,220 million and 8,140 million native animals a year (a far far greater problem)

A fair difference, I am sure you will agree.

I know that treating this issue as one single problem gives you the chance to hate on cats and boast on the internet to people talking about domestic cats.

However, looking at the figures above, one of these problems is far more serious than the other. More than this though, I think that treating these issues as two separate issues means that two separate solutions can be explored. In fact, even a cat-hating homicidal maniac like yourself would have to agree that the solutions for each of these problems have to be entirely different?

Brilliant !

 

[maltaseagull]

Anywhere near as damaging? If they are damaging at all it's an issue isn't it?


From a Government website:


The impact of domestic pets on native wildlife

A wide variety of native animals, ranging from the more common species like possums, kangaroos, wallabies, lizards and many species of bird, to rarer or threatened species such as bandicoots, koalas and quolls, may be at risk from domestic pets in urban areas.

Cats are by nature instinctive hunters and are more likely to kill birds and lizards. Even though their human owners carefully meet their pet's requirements for food and shelter, instinctive hunting and chasing behaviour will continue.

Domestic pets also occur in high numbers in urban areas, where native animal numbers are fewer. So even though each individual animal may only kill or injure a small number of native animals, it has a bigger effect on the already reduced population.


It's not that controversial.

Keep ya cat inside and don't let it wander around where ever it likes should be the only option. Same as dogs.

Or else Mr Big ones will kill it !

 

[BN9 BHA]

And you know nothing about people who hunt, arseclown.

https://youtu.be/1_aAj2jMg1I

 

[BadFish]

Anywhere near as damaging? If they are damaging at all it's an issue isn't it?


From a Government website:


The impact of domestic pets on native wildlife

A wide variety of native animals, ranging from the more common species like possums, kangaroos, wallabies, lizards and many species of bird, to rarer or threatened species such as bandicoots, koalas and quolls, may be at risk from domestic pets in urban areas.

Cats are by nature instinctive hunters and are more likely to kill birds and lizards. Even though their human owners carefully meet their pet's requirements for food and shelter, instinctive hunting and chasing behaviour will continue.

Domestic pets also occur in high numbers in urban areas, where native animal numbers are fewer. So even though each individual animal may only kill or injure a small number of native animals, it has a bigger effect on the already reduced population.


It's not that controversial.

Keep ya cat inside and don't let it wander around where ever it likes should be the only option. Same as dogs.

Of course, it is an issue, at no point have I suggested it isn't.

The point I am making is that it is a separate issue (you said it wasn't ) to feral cats.

As I say in my other post (I even included links for you to check out) there is absolutely no benefit in looking at the two things as a single issue as the solutions to each are vastly different. If one moves beyond 'hate cats! shoot cats! anyway.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Okay, so I was interested to find some facts on this this interesting piece of research.

"On average, each feral cat in the bush kills a whopping 740 animals per year. In a year with average conditions, there are about 2.8 million feral cats, but that figure can double when good rain leads to an abundance of prey animals.

"On average each pet cat kills about 75 animals per year, but many of these kills are never witnessed by their owners.

https://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/cats-kill-more-than-15-billion-native-animals-per-year


(from what I can see there are around 4 million pet cats in Australia. The number of feral cats seems to be fairly unknown, I have read estimates anywhere between 3 and 11 million)

https://www.canstar.com.au/pet-insurance/how-much-do-we-spend-on-our-pets/
https://www.wires.org.au/wildlife-info/wildlife-factsheets/domestic-pets-and-wildlife
https://kb.rspca.org.au/knowledge-base/how-many-pets-are-there-in-australia/
https://pestsmart.org.au/toolkit-resource/feral-cats-in-australia-2/

This means that pet cats kill around 300 million native animals a year (Certainly a problem) and feral cats kill somewhere between 2,220 million and 8,140 million native animals a year (a far far greater problem)

A fair difference, I am sure you will agree.

I know that treating this issue as one single problem gives you the chance to hate on cats and boast on the internet to people talking about domestic cats.

However, looking at the figures above, one of these problems is far more serious than the other. More than this though, I think that treating these issues as two separate issues means that two separate solutions can be explored. In fact, even a cat-hating homicidal maniac like yourself would have to agree that the solutions for each of these problems have to be entirely different?

The solution is simple. Cat owners need to stop being ***** and lock their pets into their property so they can't wander around.

All domestic pet cats need to be de-sexed as well, only registered breeders should be allowed to breed them.

They are the same issue though, "domestic" cats are wandering the streets getting pregnant and dropping kittens all over the place all the time.

The dickhead next door to me let their pet wander around and get knocked up, next thing there's 5-6 feral kittens running around the area wiping out the local New Holland Honeyeater population.

Council did sod all about it so we had to take care of it ourselves.

Culling all animals that are not native to the land which are causing any issues is the solution. Agreed?

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Of course, it is an issue, at no point have I suggested it isn't.

The point I am making is that it is a separate issue (you said it wasn't ) to feral cats.

As I say in my other post (I even included links for you to check out) there is absolutely no benefit in looking at the two things as a single issue as the solutions to each are vastly different. If one moves beyond 'hate cats! shoot cats! anyway.

A domestic cat can become a feral cat in a very short period of time. So much so that to differentiate between the two is basically impossible except in the cases where the cat was born wild and will be significantly larger.

How do you know which is which in any situation if the cat has zero identification on it as is often found?

 

[hoof hearted]

I do dislike cats. I hate their irresponsible owners more though. Total self centered ****wits they are.

They are the people who let their vermin wander around destroying wildlife.

So were not talking about the responsible owners who keep their cats contained on their own properties. funnily enough those cat owners don't like the owners who let them wander around either.

You want nutjobs, look to the people who know their vermin pet will go out killing other creatures but still let them out to wander anyway. Many rather pleased with the cats killing ways.

That's truly sadistic behaviour.


Why wouldn't anyone take great satisfaction in wiping out cats in an area and saving thousands upon thousands of often endangered creatures?
To see the native animal populations of animals return and increase in an area is a fantastic feeling.

I get where you're coming from in terms of cat owernship/responsibility, but hating cats just because they do what comes naturally to them is odd to me.
Culling for conservation is one thing but taking pleasure in killing animals is something else. You should team up with this nutjob after he's served his prison sentence, you'd make a great couple.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

https://youtu.be/1_aAj2jMg1I

Saw Kev about 25 years ago. Entertaining bloke!

 

[BadFish]

A domestic cat can become a feral cat in a very short period of time. So much so that to differentiate between the two is basically impossible except in the cases where the cat was born wild and will be significantly larger.

How do you know which is which in any situation if the cat has zero identification on it as is often found?

Is your answer to this "shoot it and see if you can then find an upset owner?"

I found from doing a bit of research this afternoon that the solutions to both of these problems are rather involved and complex.
'
Shooting stuff and pretending it is to help native wildlife isn't really going to put much of a dent in either problem.

Thankfully there does seem to be people who are not quite so clouded by hatred on the case. Hopefully, they will come up with some solutions soon.

I will wait eagerly for instructions on when I should keep my cats in and get them desexed. Until then I can continue knocking their kittens out for $20 a pop. Jobs a goodun

 

[BN9 BHA]

Saw Kev about 25 years ago. Entertaining bloke!

I’ve seen him twice live, very funny.

 

[maltaseagull]

The solution is simple. Cat owners need to stop being ***** and lock their pets into their property so they can't wander around.

All domestic pet cats need to be de-sexed as well, only registered breeders should be allowed to breed them.

They are the same issue though, "domestic" cats are wandering the streets getting pregnant and dropping kittens all over the place all the time.

The dickhead next door to me let their pet wander around and get knocked up, next thing there's 5-6 feral kittens running around the area wiping out the local New Holland Honeyeater population.

Council did sod all about it so we had to take care of it ourselves.

Culling all animals that are not native to the land which are causing any issues is the solution. Agreed?

I agree with some of your ideas but think it should be applied to some humans though.


Just out of interest are you an indigenous Australian?

 

[Wardy's twin]

I get where you're coming from in terms of cat owernship/responsibility, but hating cats just because they do what comes naturally to them is odd to me.
Culling for conservation is one thing but taking pleasure in killing animals is something else. You should team up with this nutjob after he's served his prison sentence, you'd make a great couple.

I think you nailed this argument in that sentence .

There is a debate to be had culling even though it probably repulses you as much as it does me. This is an interesting article about squirrels... https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-plotting-to-wipe-out-britains-grey-squirrels.

Cats are a problem for wildlife but their irresponsible are a bigger issue. I have had cats but won't have one as i have seen their impact on birds and slow worms...