Brezovan - Calamity keeper!?!

[Acker79]

Is it not obvious that when signing a player in any position the manager can only say that you will start as my first choice the rest is then up to you.

What? Earlier in this thread you claimed Brezovn only signed because Gus guaranteed him a start, now you're saying Gus can only make it clear they have to earn their place?

 

[BensGrandad]

What? Earlier in this thread you claimed Brezovn only signed because Gus guaranteed him a start, now you're saying Gus can only make it clear they have to earn their place?

No I am not, what I am saying is that he possibly said 'you will start as the No 1'. If he had a serious injury or loss of form obviously he wouldnt play so you are trying to make things out of my words. What I also said is that Brezovan indicated that he wouldnt have signed if he knew he was going to be as a back up to Kuipers, as it appears has happened with Danny Naisbitt as back up to Brezovan.

 

[Finchley Seagull]

No I am not, what I am saying is that he possibly said 'you will start as the No 1'. If he had a serious injury or loss of form obviously he wouldnt play so you are trying to make things out of my words. What I also said is that Brezovan indicated that he wouldnt have signed if he knew he was going to be as a back up to Kuipers, as it appears has happened with Danny Naisbitt as back up to Brezovan.

That is very different to wanting to be guaranteed first choice though. Very few players sign for a club on the basis that Naisbitt did but that doesn't mean they want to guarantee first team football. What I imagine will happen is that Brezovan will get a new deal (probably one or two years) and we will sign a new keeper to compete with him and Walker may be loaned out at some point next season to give him regular games. I could well be proved wrong but that is what I would do and my best guess as to what will happen.

 

[BensGrandad]

That is very different to wanting to be guaranteed first choice though. Very few players sign for a club on the basis that Naisbitt did but that doesn't mean they want to guarantee first team football. What I imagine will happen is that Brezovan will get a new deal (probably one or two years) and we will sign a new keeper to compete with him and Walker may be loaned out at some point next season to give him regular games. I could well be proved wrong but that is what I would do and my best guess as to what will happen.

I agree to an extent but feel that Brezovan will want more than to just fight it out with another keeper unless money is the main criteria, which I doubt. I think he will want some sort of assurance that he will start the season as no 1.

In a hypothetical world if we signed Kasper Schmeichel from Notts County would Brezovan be prepared to battle for the no 1 jersey with him.

I wonder if Anti Neimi would be available at Fulham.

 

[Twinkle Toes]

I still think we should take a punt on Stockports keeper.Very highly rated keeper playing in a crap team.He is a big young lad too.

Fair shout there Mr A, but I wonder if he's been faultless throught the thrashings Stockport have suffered this year? It'd be interesting to have some thoughts from Hatters supporters about him.

 

[Finchley Seagull]

I agree to an extent but feel that Brezovan will want more than to just fight it out with another keeper unless money is the main criteria, which I doubt. I think he will want some sort of assurance that he will start the season as no 1.

In a hypothetical world if we signed Kasper Schmeichel from Notts County would Brezovan be prepared to battle for the no 1 jersey with him.

I wonder if Anti Neimi would be available at Fulham.

I don't see why not. If he is confident in his own ability then he should be fine with a bit of competition. If he isn't then to be honest I don't think he is the type of player Gus wants, as he made clear in his interview the other day when he said he wants players to play for their places and not demand loan moves all the time. Wherever Brezovan goes there will be competition and he is doing well here and obviously has a good relationship with Gus so I would be surprised to see him leave if, as seems likely, he is offered a new deal. I could be wrong though as I have no idea what he or Gus thinks.

 

[public school boy]

I think to be fair we do need another keeper in the summer, the question I would ask is whether they need to be number one or two. It is up to Poyet, who clearly rates Brezovan and quite rightly as he has been fantastic in our recent run. Someone mentioned the defence tightening up has helped him but I think he helps the defence as he usually (with yesterday being the obvious exception) makes good choices about when to come and not to come for a ball and generally catches them.

In answer to your question, it has to be a quality first choice keeper. PB has played well in games but is proven to make costly mistakes. Poyet is the man to decide on who's in and who's out and the buck stops with him. Over the years this club has had some great keepers and may be with some extra coaching Bresovan can become another one, I hope so.

 

[Acker79]

No I am not, what I am saying is that he possibly said 'you will start as the No 1'. If he had a serious injury or loss of form obviously he wouldnt play so you are trying to make things out of my words. What I also said is that Brezovan indicated that he wouldnt have signed if he knew he was going to be as a back up to Kuipers, as it appears has happened with Danny Naisbitt as back up to Brezovan.

Erm....

I do not think that Brezovan is the complete answer bjut then I think neither is Fon Williams, granted I have only seen him against us and on TV but he doesnt appear to be any better than we already have.

I would sooner go for an experiencved prem keeper who is not getting a look in like Jimmy Walker at Spurs or even look at Blackburn who are rumoured to be gpoing to sign Kasper Schmeichel to compete with Paul Robinson in which case they will havea keeper who we may be able to loan for a season long loan, who at present is their number 3 choice but will be no 4 if this rumour is true.

Brezovan has apparently stated that he will not sign a new contract anywhere unless guaranteed to be no 1 so on that basis I would say let him go at the end of the season.

Wouldn't sign without being guaranteed no 1.

I am sure that I either read it in an interview with him or on the radio in an interview when he first came here. I am sure it went on the lines of being asked if he expected to be no 1 he said yes I wouldnt sign for any club unless I was going to be the no 1. So taking that on further he wouldnt sign unless guaranteed being no 1.

That to me is quite clear he wouldnt have signed for us when he did if he hadnt been told he would be no 1.

Nobody on here was present when Gus spoke to him originally so we do not know what he was or wasnt told or promised.

Is it not obvious that when signing a player in any position the manager can only say that you will start as my first choice the rest is then up to you.

Gus did say on Radio Sussex yesterday he wants a squad of 23 - 25 players signed before the start of the season and to only use the loan system in extreme emergencies for injuries etc and that he wants every player to fight for their position and if they want to knock on his door to ask to be loaned out dont bother signing.

"Start as first choice the rest is up to you" Am, I wrong to interpret "the rest is up to you" as "earn/keep the shirt" i.e. form dictates whether he plays. A turnaround from the first quote where you talk of him only signing if he is guaranteed no1.

I'm not trying to make things out of your words, I'm just reading them.

 

[BUTTERBALL]

Kuipers no 1, Breza no 2........

 

[BensGrandad]

Acker 79 are you a student at law school as you must be the most pedantic person on here trying to pick holes in every word. I probably used the wrong word in my first post and should not have said guaranteed and perhaps should have said assurred him he would start as No 1 if that is ok with you.

 

[Acker79]

Acker 79 are you a student at law school as you must be the most pedantic person on here trying to pick holes in every word. I probably used the wrong word in my first post and should not have said guaranteed and perhaps should have said assurred him he would start as No 1 if that is ok with you.

Then why not clarify it at the first chance? (Though even 'assured him he would start' is suspect. "Assured him he would be given an opportunity to win the shirt" is the most I would expect from any manager to any player - and you're intelligent enough to know the difference).

It isn't about being a pedant. You come on here and say he is guaranteed a start. A very controversial statement. A couple of people say are you sure?! You then carry on arguing that it is the case.

You can't make such a claim, then cry 'pedant' several hours after being give multiple opportunities to clarify what you mean yet continuing to insist the same thing.

 

[king Wombat]

Acker 79 are you a student at law school as you must be the most pedantic person on here trying to pick holes in every word. I probably used the wrong word in my first post and should not have said guaranteed and perhaps should have said assurred him he would start as No 1 if that is ok with you.

Just admit you made it up and we'll all move on.

 

[public school boy]

Was Brezovan not signed as cover for Kuipers?

 

[Laughing Gravy]

The biggest thing that has helped the defence is the 2 full backs that came in, we have stopped conceeding stupid goals from the flanks. No surprise since Painter has been injured and Barnet bound Hoyte has come back in that we have started to look shakey at the back.

Bang on son.
We certainly miss Painter.

 

[Insider]

When you are as positive and come for as many crosses (and take as many) as Brezovan does, you are likely to "drop one" in a while. It was his mistake, but provided they do not become a regular occurrence, I think Brezovan should not change his style - as the way he plays takes a huge amount of pressure off the defence - even if it does leave him open in this way. David James is the same in his style, and if fit would be a certainty to start for England in South Africa, even at the age of 39. Outstanding for 120 mins at Wembley, he even did the same against Spurs today (although Crouch headed wide).

 

[Insider]

Bang on son.
We certainly miss Painter.

Could be back Saturday!

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Have said all along that Brez will do for now but we need to get someone in for a pormotion push, if only to challenge Brez. He had no chance for the free kick and I agree with Insider that if you come for crosses as much as Brez does (and thank god he does) he's going to miss one or two. A GKs worth is not only in the saves he makes, it is also in the confideence he instills to the backline and Brez does this (this is the diffrenece between Brez and Smith). However, I personally agree with Cloughie and for that reason for promotion we need a really class keeper.

Not convinced Fon Williams is the answer either.

 

[strings]

When you are as positive and come for as many crosses (and take as many) as Brezovan does, you are likely to "drop one" in a while. It was his mistake, but provided they do not become a regular occurrence, I think Brezovan should not change his style - as the way he plays takes a huge amount of pressure off the defence - even if it does leave him open in this way. David James is the same in his style, and if fit would be a certainty to start for England in South Africa, even at the age of 39. Outstanding for 120 mins at Wembley, he even did the same against Spurs today (although Crouch headed wide).

This was pretty much what I was about to post. Brezovan has had 2 bad matches. Before that, large sections of this board were talking about him as our saviour, who is going to be a major part of our promotion push next season. For me, I believe that the defence is a lot stronger with Brezovan behind them.

We have a fine history of ruining players by slagging them off on this board (Robinson, Gatting, Henderson). Please don't let Brezovan become the next - although I suspect Brezovan is more thick-skinned than the aforementioned players and wouldn't get upset by internet criticism.

 

[The Wizard]

Threads like this sicken me ffs, ALL and I mean ALL goalkeepers make mistakes now and again. admittedly, it was a shocker, no doubt about that. but he has been very good for about 2 months now. 1 mistake and he's a calamity. What a f***ing piss take. I bet if Michel made the same mistake people would be defending him.

 

[public school boy]

However, I personally agree with Cloughie and for that reason for promotion we need a really class keeper.

This man knows what he is on about!