An unelected bureaucrat speaks out.....
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-northern-ireland-david-frost-b1848346.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-northern-ireland-david-frost-b1848346.html
[Politics] Brexit
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Baker lite
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Oh yes indeed,sometimes you can get four seasons in a a day strolling around the Lakes. A hearty fish and chip supper in the evening will make up for it [emoji1303][emoji636]
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JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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You have to realise this thread is like a support group for a tiny, extreme, rump of people who still can't come to terms with the referendum result plus the infirm/elderly/retired who have a huge empty void in their lives. I feel a little guilty as every time we post it feeds their delusions and triggers numerous moronic cringeworthy responses.
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I’d rather be packing my sun cream, Speedos and aviators.
Update on what people knew they were voting for;
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Baker lite
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This does not surprise me. I shall also take sunscreen and suitable sunglasses [emoji1303][emoji636]
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Baker lite
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This is what upsets me about me the Tory politicians who now blindly do as they're told over Brexit after the right of that party hoodwinked a nation by galvanising support of the thickest and most ignorant in society. Instead of standing up for what is right - that Brexit is a terrible idea for all but those with vested interests in it, and will clearly turn out to be against our national interests (if it hasn't already proved to be) - they continue with their snouts in the trough to ensure we have the hardest Brexit that was ever possible.
This was an ill-advised referendum but having voted leave, we should at the very least have stayed inside the customs union, and arguably the single market. That would have taken balls from people like Truss though. For that matter, Keir Starmer can shit off too with his "what's done is done, move on from Brexit" rhetoric. Where the f**k is the integrity amongst our political classes?
James Acaster summarised exactly what Brexit meant here, and he wasn't wrong:
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Randy McNob
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The EU isn't a place
daveinprague
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People have come to terms with it. Now, people are asking questions regarding the consequences. What is your solution to the NI question? You voted for it I believe.
I post this piece of of good news
And the trolls come calling
Indeed, no mention of Brexit whatsoever.
I wonder what sort of person wouldn't be aware that Amazon continues to undercut and drive out other long standing British businesses whilst (from the article) 'it has been the subject of criticism over its working practices and tax affairs.'
Race to the bottom, but It's hardly surprising to see Kwasi ('British workers are among the worst idlers in the world') Kwarteng is pleased
And still calling
Because the the pandemic causing the biggest recession in modern history and losing over 800,000 jobs (and that's before furlough ends) has had no effect
Have you come up with the alternative solution to the unimplementable Northern Ireland Protocol that you supported and voted for yet ? I bet your solution is going to be brilliant because you've had months to work on it now, and with your long standing support of the unionist cause and your extensive political background, I can't wait to hear it
Here’s another, he’s not even a Brighton fan, only joined to shit stir as he’s angry.
And he’s back, and to think I was told not to troll this clown last week
For some of our 'more challenged' friends on here, here's an example of to how to post actual BREXIT news. If you're still struggling with this and need something simpler, having the word BREXIT somewhere in the story actually helps
Supermarkets face post-Brexit fruit and veg scarcity thanks to shortage of skilled pickers
Supermarkets face a devastating fruit and veg shortage while crops rot in fields this summer because of government delays in allowing foreign pickers into Britain. It means delicious foods like strawberries, blueberries, peas and lettuce look likely to decay in fields while shops lack enough stock for customers.
The government has only announced two of four operators for its Seasonal Workers Pilot last week, which was supposed to find the necessary migrant labour to harvest crops.With the peak of the harvesting season a matter of weeks away, furious MPs have slammed ministers for dragging their feet.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/supermarkets-face-post-brexit-fruit-24118354
What with this, the Northern Ireland protocol, the fishing industry, the entertainment industry, the dairy industry, the financial services industry, the complete lack of import controls etc etc etc, could you imagine what it would be like had Johnson not managed to 'Get Brexit Done'
And then this piece of sausage meat turns up
Good old Dave biting and getting angry as always
Dave is still angry
And then my favourite, this guy, and I quote, largely ignores me [emoji23]
Still going on….. CR stop trolling WZ he doesn’t like it[emoji23][emoji23]
I wonder which poster, has today spent more than twice as long, making twice as many posts on this thread as any other poster
irony
[ˈʌɪrəni]
NOUN
the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
"‘Don't go overboard with the gratitude,’ he rejoined with heavy irony"
Hope this helps
And Herr Flick, who largely ignores me is continuing to largely ignore me[emoji23]
I make one early morning post on a Sunday and it induces all this bollox, (Herr Flick is out looking for his in the park in his Speedo’s and Aviators as we speak).
Moral of the story, if you don’t like what I have to say then don’t do what the Tubthumper does and largely ignore me[emoji6]
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daveinprague
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I still don't see a proper retraction of your accusation that I racially abused you. You either retract or report it. If not, then I guess it will be me having to approach the moderators.
He doesn't have one. I asked him with good intentions about a month ago and disappointingly he admitted he didn't have a solution. I consider [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] one of the more intelligent Brexiteers on here, yet we are now at the stage where people like him just bemoan that the problem is above his pay grade and instead choose to carry on arguing with "remoaners" rather than thinking of a solution to what is a clear problem.
This isn't a surprise BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A SOLUTION, but that is where we are at now.
Baker lite
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David...you targeted me because of the colour of my skin. On several occasions in the past you have called me and others racist simply because we chose to leave the corrupt EU.You appear to be Teflon.kindly stop trolling me...just stop it David.
Back on topic, the British tourism industry looks set to boom,with patriotic Brits choosing a stay cation.
Post Brexit Britain is booming [emoji636]
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“ If there’s one thing England has a lot of, it’s shit holes… And apparently Yorkshire has many of them. That’s of course according to ilivehere.co.uk who have ranked the top 10 worst places to live in the UK.”
https://the-yorkshireman.com/the-top-10-worst-places-to-live-in-the-uk-have-been-revealed/
Baker lite
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I will take your advice onboard and keep clear of the fly holes you mentioned,thanks for the tip [emoji1303][emoji636]
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https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ris-johnson-and-his-team-of-brexit-fantasists
England’s football clubs may be of Champions League quality, but the current political debacle reveals our politicians are not
It turns out that throughout the Brexit discussions with the British government, the EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, was keeping a diary. That he managed to do this at the end of days of usually frustrating talks says something for Barnier’s staying power. And to judge from speculation about the next French presidential election, he intends to stay around for some time.
His diary has been published in France. Surprise, surprise: with one or two exceptions, the British side does not come too well out of what our football commentators would call “the Frenchman’s” reflections.
From the moment our first secretary for Brexit, my old friend David Davis, turned up in Brussels armed with a few pieces of paper, and faced Barnier’s heavily prepared team, carrying volumes of material, the die was cast: the EU had the upper hand and, for all we know, Davis’s negotiating paper could have been a copy of the Times crossword.
It has been abundantly clear ever since that, unlike Chelsea and Manchester City, the British team representing Theresa May and then one Boris Johnson were never in the Champions League. As for Lord Frost, I think he ranks way below my team, AFC Wimbledon.
Brexit done? Like hell has it been done. Brexit is unravelling all over the place. British fishing crews are being told at Calais that they can keep the fish over which they have regained control, as the blockades go up. Commentators are saying, now that we have “regained control”, that we need more immigrants to fill the gaps in the labour force of the construction and hospitality sectors.
The fact that complaints about immigration were among the factors contributing to the Brexit vote is neither here nor there. The Cummings/Johnson/Gove campaign was always a nonsense; but, alas, it turned out that, to paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, you could fool some of the people some of the time.
The 'bureaucracy of Brussels' was largely a myth. Now we do have bureaucratic delays to normal business, as a direct consequence of Brexit
The zealots who fooled far too many of the people did not even understand the consequences of their great “victory”.
While our elected representatives fool around negotiating trade deals that are but a pale shadow of what we used to enjoy in the EU, our exports to the continent have taken a dive, and the normal flow of imports continues to be seriously disrupted. The “bureaucracy of Brussels” was largely a myth. Now we do have bureaucratic delays to normal business, as a direct consequence of Brexit.
Talking of bureaucratic delays brings me to another book on our relations with the rest of Europe, by the London-based French journalist Tristan de Bourbon-Parme. Like Philip Stephens in Britain Alone – which I recommended recently – the author covers UK relations with our neighbours since 1945, culminating – or reaching a nadir – in Brexit.
However, to please his publishers, De Bourbon-Parme had to get our dreaded prime minister into his title: Boris Johnson, Un Européen Contrarié. The English version is Boris Johnson – a Frustrated European, the author’s view being that Johnson is a “cultural European” but can’t stand the EU. (By the way, they can be forgiven for not standing him.)
Which brings us to yet another triumph of the time-wasting bureaucracy of Brexit. Whereas Barnier’s book almost certainly presents a partial view of the Brexit negotiations, De Bourbon-Parme has conducted extensive interviews with both sides. But we cannot read it yet: the consignment sent to the UK has been held up at Customs and Excise for the past three months. That’s taking control for you.
An obvious area of interest for De Bourbon-Parme is the debacle over Northern Ireland. He believes a fundamental error was for the negotiators to concentrate too much on the concerns of the republicans, and not enough on those of the unionists. The resulting chaos is far from being resolved; but, as the EU’s ambassador to the UK, João Vale de Almeida, has pointed out, the fundamental problem is not the much-discussed protocol, but Brexit itself.
In lying his way through the Northern Ireland “deal”, Johnson should have paid more attention to Sir Walter Scott’s great line: “Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive.”
Which brings me to a famous dictum from another Scottish author. Amid the speculation about another independence referendum, I wonder whether, in their hearts of hearts, Nicola Sturgeon and her colleagues worry about the words of Robert Louis Stevenson.
The situation is that the UK is suffering economic harm from Brexit. Scotland, it appears, is a lot more “European” than England. But, as the Institute for Fiscal Studies points out, by leaving the UK to rejoin the EU Scotland would also suffer economic harm. Is this a case where, as Stevenson wrote, “to travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive?”
England’s football clubs may be of Champions League quality, but the current political debacle reveals our politicians are not
It turns out that throughout the Brexit discussions with the British government, the EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, was keeping a diary. That he managed to do this at the end of days of usually frustrating talks says something for Barnier’s staying power. And to judge from speculation about the next French presidential election, he intends to stay around for some time.
His diary has been published in France. Surprise, surprise: with one or two exceptions, the British side does not come too well out of what our football commentators would call “the Frenchman’s” reflections.
From the moment our first secretary for Brexit, my old friend David Davis, turned up in Brussels armed with a few pieces of paper, and faced Barnier’s heavily prepared team, carrying volumes of material, the die was cast: the EU had the upper hand and, for all we know, Davis’s negotiating paper could have been a copy of the Times crossword.
It has been abundantly clear ever since that, unlike Chelsea and Manchester City, the British team representing Theresa May and then one Boris Johnson were never in the Champions League. As for Lord Frost, I think he ranks way below my team, AFC Wimbledon.
Brexit done? Like hell has it been done. Brexit is unravelling all over the place. British fishing crews are being told at Calais that they can keep the fish over which they have regained control, as the blockades go up. Commentators are saying, now that we have “regained control”, that we need more immigrants to fill the gaps in the labour force of the construction and hospitality sectors.
The fact that complaints about immigration were among the factors contributing to the Brexit vote is neither here nor there. The Cummings/Johnson/Gove campaign was always a nonsense; but, alas, it turned out that, to paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, you could fool some of the people some of the time.
The 'bureaucracy of Brussels' was largely a myth. Now we do have bureaucratic delays to normal business, as a direct consequence of Brexit
The zealots who fooled far too many of the people did not even understand the consequences of their great “victory”.
While our elected representatives fool around negotiating trade deals that are but a pale shadow of what we used to enjoy in the EU, our exports to the continent have taken a dive, and the normal flow of imports continues to be seriously disrupted. The “bureaucracy of Brussels” was largely a myth. Now we do have bureaucratic delays to normal business, as a direct consequence of Brexit.
Talking of bureaucratic delays brings me to another book on our relations with the rest of Europe, by the London-based French journalist Tristan de Bourbon-Parme. Like Philip Stephens in Britain Alone – which I recommended recently – the author covers UK relations with our neighbours since 1945, culminating – or reaching a nadir – in Brexit.
However, to please his publishers, De Bourbon-Parme had to get our dreaded prime minister into his title: Boris Johnson, Un Européen Contrarié. The English version is Boris Johnson – a Frustrated European, the author’s view being that Johnson is a “cultural European” but can’t stand the EU. (By the way, they can be forgiven for not standing him.)
Which brings us to yet another triumph of the time-wasting bureaucracy of Brexit. Whereas Barnier’s book almost certainly presents a partial view of the Brexit negotiations, De Bourbon-Parme has conducted extensive interviews with both sides. But we cannot read it yet: the consignment sent to the UK has been held up at Customs and Excise for the past three months. That’s taking control for you.
An obvious area of interest for De Bourbon-Parme is the debacle over Northern Ireland. He believes a fundamental error was for the negotiators to concentrate too much on the concerns of the republicans, and not enough on those of the unionists. The resulting chaos is far from being resolved; but, as the EU’s ambassador to the UK, João Vale de Almeida, has pointed out, the fundamental problem is not the much-discussed protocol, but Brexit itself.
In lying his way through the Northern Ireland “deal”, Johnson should have paid more attention to Sir Walter Scott’s great line: “Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive.”
Which brings me to a famous dictum from another Scottish author. Amid the speculation about another independence referendum, I wonder whether, in their hearts of hearts, Nicola Sturgeon and her colleagues worry about the words of Robert Louis Stevenson.
The situation is that the UK is suffering economic harm from Brexit. Scotland, it appears, is a lot more “European” than England. But, as the Institute for Fiscal Studies points out, by leaving the UK to rejoin the EU Scotland would also suffer economic harm. Is this a case where, as Stevenson wrote, “to travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive?”
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Randy McNob
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Not sure why you included me in that, I was responding to someone else, I think it's a case of, and this goes for JCFC as well, misguided self flattery. Perhaps you could do with a refesh of what a discussion forum is. I think it's sweet that, albeit in your own little world, you feel you're winning, whatever it may be. We all get something out the forum in different ways so I'm happy for you,
I’m not winning McNob, oh no, having to suffer people like you is losing but it’ll be you that leaves this site first son!
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