[Politics] Brexit

[Thunder Bolt]

Ben Habib was a Brexit party MEP.

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[WATFORD zero]

Genuinely good to see these snippets.

What we don't know, though, is whether these are because of Brexit or despite it?

He's discovered the twitter account Jefferson_MFG, set up by Stuart Whitehead, the failed recruiter from the manufacturing industry who is now trying to make his name as a 'Social media influencer' by running a Twitter account to re-publish all the marketing releases from the manufacturing sector. It's the same stories regurgitated over and over again (that's marketing ) but to be fair, he seems to be doing a far better job in marketing than when he was in recruitment.

Of course, it has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit (either for or against), but it keeps [MENTION=22389]bashlsdir[/MENTION] busy, happy and out of trouble so it's all good

(Where did those last few pages of total and utter crap come from ?)

 

[Chicken Run]

What a depressing thread and a total repeat of the drivel on the Brexit thread. Maybe I should just lock or merge it?

You lock it and Watford 0 won’t be happy [emoji2]

 

[Chicken Run]

He's discovered the twitter account Jefferson_MFG, set up by Stuart Whitehead, the failed recruiter from the manufacturing industry who is now trying to make his name as a 'Social media influencer' by running a Twitter account to re-publish all the marketing releases from the manufacturing sector. It's the same stories regurgitated over and over again (that's marketing ) but to be fair, he seems to be doing a far better job in marketing than when he was in recruitment.

Of course, it has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit (either for or against), but it keeps [MENTION=22389]bashlsdir[/MENTION] busy, happy and out of trouble so it's all good

(Where did those last few pages of total and utter crap come from ?)

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[Pretty pink fairy]

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Good news is bad news
Regards
DF

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I didn't notice a point just a load of flannel. If I must ..

Firstly, many undemocratic loons were angling for another vote long before any of the events you describe .... secondly, politicians (who mainly supported remain) decided to give the people a chance to express their will democratically, politicians on all sides promised to enact the result, politicians couldn't agree on a path forward after the leave result so instead of honouring the result and numerous promises and manifesto commitments to enact the result you think it's OK for all that to be ignored and forgotten and reward their collective incompetence by having yet another vote where they get another chance to perhaps get what most of them wanted all along (remain).

Fortunately, after one referendum vote to leave and two general election results where the party promising to enact the result wins, we finally left. UK Democractic norms are honoured and the party constantly seeking to ignore and subvert them is electorally obliterated [emoji106]

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I won't change my mind that given the specific circumstances surrounding the vote and its emerging consequences it would have been reasonable to have offered the people the chance to confirm or otherwise their decision but that's in the past and I accept what has now happened. Boris is king, the country is diminished, its very borders are threatened and for you, glory-be, the LibDems are decimated. Be happy - you have everything you wanted.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I won't change my mind that given the specific circumstances surrounding the vote and its emerging consequences it would have been reasonable to have offered the people the chance to confirm or otherwise their decision but that's in the past and I accept what has now happened. Boris is king, the country is diminished, its very borders are threatened and for you, glory-be, the LibDems are decimated. Be happy - you have everything you wanted.

Thanks, enjoy your evening.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Thanks, enjoy your evening.

That depends entirely on the results of the match now being played. Let us hope we both end the day well.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

People like you and clamp still fail to comprehend the decision was made via a Referendum not an election.

If you want a representative outcome or compromise given to one side perhaps you can be the first remainer to answer this hypothetical

If remain had won 52-48 and the decision had been to remain members of the EU instead, as a way of representative compromise that you are demanding, what should we have left anyway even though the decision was to remain members of the EU?

Perhaps as a way of compromise we should still end free movement, should no longer have to accept EU made law directives and regulations, quit sending budget contributions, no longer have CAP apply and no longer accept the supremacy of the ECJ…….perhaps leave in other areas too and remain in some…….as a representative compromise.

Why didn’t the remain side champion this school of thought before the result came in and are only doing it now after the result?

If you're saying that expediency is playing a part among remainers then I for one will hold my hand up. You're right. I would have kept it down if Remain had won. But there again, court cases are usually instituted by the aggrieved.

Your hypothesis doesn't really work though because whilst Leave can have many forms, Remain has only one. If we had left the EU but kept all the EU regulations you mention you would have said that was stupid. And in many ways I would have agreed with you. The fact is though, we would have 'left'. We would have fulfilled the mandate.

If we had remained but ditched all those regulations we would have been chucked out.

If the question on the ballot paper had been specific then all these problems would have been solved. But that's the thing with referendum questions. They have to be kept very, very simple. And that's why referendums aren't very good ideas.

 

[Randy McNob]

People like you and clamp still fail to comprehend the decision was made via a Referendum not an election.

If you want a representative outcome or compromise given to one side perhaps you can be the first remainer to answer this hypothetical

If remain had won 52-48 and the decision had been to remain members of the EU instead, as a way of representative compromise that you are demanding, what should we have left anyway even though the decision was to remain members of the EU?

Perhaps as a way of compromise we should still end free movement, should no longer have to accept EU made law directives and regulations, quit sending budget contributions, no longer have CAP apply and no longer accept the supremacy of the ECJ…….perhaps leave in other areas too and remain in some…….as a representative compromise.

Why didn’t the remain side champion this school of thought before the result came in and are only doing it now after the result?

It doesn't work like that imo. The vote is for change or no change, 1 side wants to change and the other does not. If the side that does not want change wins the vote they do not have to compensate the other side as they are not forcing them into a different position. If the side that wants change does win the vote then they should have to define how that change is implemented and design the best outcome for everyone as the change has an effect on everyone. Surely the outcome of democracy, whichever way it goes is to decide what is best or the greater good of the country as a whole not just the people that voted for it

 

[pastafarian]

It doesn't work like that imo. The vote is for change or no change, 1 side wants to change and the other does not. If the side that does not want change wins the vote they do not have to compensate the other side as they are not forcing them into a different position. If the side that wants change does win the vote then they should have to define how that change is implemented and design the best outcome for everyone as the change has an effect on everyone. Surely the outcome of democracy, whichever way it goes is to decide what is best or the greater good of the country as a whole not just the people that voted for it

In conclusion then,

If remain won the vote 52-48 we simply remain and the 48% leavers do not get any compromise leaving options. (because leavers cant anyway)
But if leave won the vote 52-48 the 48% remainers should have their view taken into account and we should remain in part.

Great stuff.

The only question you havnt answered is why you were all happy to accept the referendum outcome of remaining or leaving without compromise or a compensate before the vote took place, when you thought you were going to win, but after the vote and result you now come up with the view your losing vote should be taken into account and as a compromise we should not fully leave but remain in part.

Any reason for not mentioning before the vote that the remain side should have a compromise clause?

 

[birthofanorange]

In conclusion then,

If remain won the vote 52-48 we simply remain and the 48% leavers do not get any compromise leaving options. (because leavers cant anyway)
But if leave won the vote 52-48 the 48% remainers should have their view taken into account and we should remain in part.

Great stuff.

The only question you havnt answered is why you were all happy to accept the referendum outcome of remaining or leaving without compromise or a compensate before the vote took place, when you thought you were going to win, but after the vote and result you now come up with the view your losing vote should be taken into account and as a compromise we should not fully leave but remain in part.

Any reason for not mentioning before the vote that the remain side should have a compromise clause?

Even the Leaver's beloved Nigel accepted that 52/48 was not acceptable - weird how that part is totally ignored, when it suits...as in pretty much always.
The main thing is, anyway, that it's looking 'a bit shit', and it's fab to see that you (and the other fanatics) are happy about that.

 

[pastafarian]

Even the Leaver's beloved Nigel accepted that 52/48 was not acceptable - weird how that part is totally ignored, when it suits...as in pretty much always.
The main thing is, anyway, that it's looking 'a bit shit', and it's fab to see that you (and the other fanatics) are happy about that.

No he didnt thicko
He simply said it would have been unfinished business. Which it would. It would give reasonable support to the proposition all was not lost and at some time in the undefined future (it could be decades) there might still be support for having another go at breaking the status quo.
He neither said the decision should be ignored if that was the result or said lets re run that same referendum again if that ended up being the result.
Being members of the EU is not finished business. Rejoiners are perfectly entitled to lobby for rejoining and voting in a government that will pursue a policy of rejoining. Good like with finding one that has a chance of gaining political power

 

[birthofanorange]

No he didnt thicko
He simply said it would have been unfinished business. Which it would. It would give reasonable support to the proposition all was not lost and at some time in the undefined future (it could be decades) there might still be support for having another go at breaking the status quo.
He neither said the decision should be ignored if that was the result or said lets re run that same referendum again if that ended up being the result.
Being members of the EU is not finished business. Rejoiners are perfectly entitled to lobby for rejoining and voting in a government that will pursue a policy of rejoining. Good like with finding one that has a chance of gaining political power

Good to see that you realise that 'unfinished business' isn't the same as 'acceptable' - only a moron would think that.
Nice that you think he would have just left it at that, as I'm sure that's how it would have been - only a moron would think otherwise.
Also fabulous to see that you're not a moron - only a moron would think that you are.

 

[pastafarian]

Good to see that you realise that 'unfinished business' isn't the same as 'acceptable' - only a moron would think that.
Nice that you think he would have just left it at that, as I'm sure that's how it would have been - only a moron would think otherwise.
Also fabulous to see that you're not a moron - only a moron would think that you are.

oh dear
someone has had a long day and is over tired

 

[birthofanorange]

oh dear
someone has had a long day and is over tired

Unfinished business: Yeah, tired of your bollocks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

 

[pastafarian]

Unfinished business: Yeah, tired of your bollocks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

Thats what i said dummy, and then you post the article repeating it and confirming.......well done you
""In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business"


And dont forget
And Prime Minister David Cameron said it was a "once in a generation, once in a lifetime" decision, saying the UK had "referendums not Neverendums".

second referendum twits! What a shame you lot screwed that up as well

 

[birthofanorange]

Thats what i said dummy, and then you post the article repeating it and confirming.......well done you
""In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business"


And dont forget
And Prime Minister David Cameron said it was a "once in a generation, once in a lifetime" decision, saying the UK had "referendums not Neverendums".

second referendum twits! What a shame you lot screwed that up as well

"There could be unstoppable demand for a re-run of the EU referendum if Remain wins by a narrow margin on 23 June, UKIP leader Nigel Farage has said."

Undemocratic loon.




Just to confirm:

"The prominent Brexiteer was quoted as saying that there could be “unstoppable demand for a re-run of the EU referendum if Remain wins by a narrow margin on 23 June”.

Idiot.

 

[Randy McNob]

In conclusion then,

If remain won the vote 52-48 we simply remain and the 48% leavers do not get any compromise leaving options. (because leavers cant anyway)
But if leave won the vote 52-48 the 48% remainers should have their view taken into account and we should remain in part.

Great stuff.

The only question you havnt answered is why you were all happy to accept the referendum outcome of remaining or leaving without compromise or a compensate before the vote took place, when you thought you were going to win, but after the vote and result you now come up with the view your losing vote should be taken into account and as a compromise we should not fully leave but remain in part.

Any reason for not mentioning before the vote that the remain side should have a compromise clause?

Not sure why you would ask about the terms of the outcome referendum to people who never wanted one, surely it was only held to satisfy the Euro sceptics?

At the end of the day if Brexit was a success and there were clear and obvious benefits that you point to that made it all worthwhile, you would never need to justify the vote and keep raking up the past, you could simply stick it in peoples faces and say you were right all along.

 

[pastafarian]

"There could be unstoppable demand for a re-run of the EU referendum if Remain wins by a narrow margin on 23 June, UKIP leader Nigel Farage has said."

Undemocratic loon.

why not, another re-run ie another in out referendum at some time unspecified in the future (possibly decades) could be still on the cards if enough people still wanted to leave that crappy club.
Not the same as getting the public to vote again, because the answer wasnt liked all before we enact the decision that was made to leave ....is it thicko?