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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
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Jul 17, 2003
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.My real sympathies lie with those who saw this coming, tried to do everything to stop it happening and are now in the direct firing line of it, and I think the number of people who fall into that category is frighteningly large :down:

I’d be very interested to have some examples of “tried everything to stop it happening” apart from putting a X in the other box of course?
 




birthofanorange

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Aug 31, 2011
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Meanwhile you’ve spent the morning (well I say you, not sure whose on duty) on here happy to respond to apparent idiots [emoji2357]

Anyway back on topic, you, whoever else is using the WZ account and all your cohort can continue to post Brexit bad news till your blue in the face , in five years will still won’t be part of the EU and I’d hope you would have given up whining by then [emoji6]

Why should there be lots of bad news? It was all going to be brilliant, wasn't it?
Still, nice to see that you have just accepted the bollocks that was spun to you. :dunce:
 


Randy McNob

> > > > > > Cardiff > > > > >
Jun 13, 2020
4,724
It would be nice to do a proper national poll on whether the Broken Brexit deal we have needs fixing.

Perhaps a referendum on joining the EEA and also creating a sort of Customs Union with the EU ?

Perhaps Broken Brexit can be salvaged if it is re-enginered.

:fishing:

Do we need a referendum? If we're still not part of the EU we don't need a public mandate for a customs Union and or rejoining the single market, just need to get it through parliament. The 2016 vote was only EU membership
 


nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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Do we need a referendum? If we're still not part of the EU we don't need a public mandate for a customs Union and or rejoining the single market, just need to get it through parliament. The 2016 vote was only EU membership

Think of the financial hit we'd take though by all those vastly superior trade deals we've signed up to with all those third countries..
 


A1X

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Do we need a referendum? If we're still not part of the EU we don't need a public mandate for a customs Union and or rejoining the single market, just need to get it through parliament. The 2016 vote was only EU membership

So what you're saying is that anti-EU parties need to keep winning elections forever, whereas pro-EU parties only need to win them once?

Not an unlikely outcome given the demographics of pro-EU and anti-EU membership support...
 




A1X

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Think of the financial hit we'd take though by all those vastly superior trade deals we've signed up to with all those third countries..

You're right. Plus it wouldn't be fair to all those Stilton consumers in Yokohama.
 








Randy McNob

> > > > > > Cardiff > > > > >
Jun 13, 2020
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So what you're saying is that anti-EU parties need to keep winning elections forever, whereas pro-EU parties only need to win them once?

Not an unlikely outcome given the demographics of pro-EU and anti-EU membership support...

No, i'm not suggesting rejoining the EU (now), only the EEA single market and customs Union - that does not require a public mandate
 


nicko31

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No, i'm not suggesting rejoining the EU (now), only the EEA single market and customs Union - that does not require a public mandate

Yep next sensible step to a more grown up relationship, need to save the Union first and get the Tories out. Democracy is under attack right now
 














Dick Swiveller

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WATFORD zero

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Brexit bonus for the big consultants. Government paid largest firms £306m in two years for specialist work

The UK’s largest consulting firms have been paid more than £306m over the past two years to advise the government on Brexit, according to published contract data. At least 31 contracts have been agreed between government departments and consulting firms including PwC, Deloitte and McKinsey between September 2018 and February 2020 for work related to the UK’s departure from the EU, according to Tussell, a research company monitoring government contracts.

Examples of Brexit work included an attempt to set up a new system for customs declarations to manage the consequences for universities and the science sector. Millions of pounds more will have been spent on consultants for work where the EU is not directly cited but which addresses the knock-on effects of the UK’s departure, Tussell adds.

The government spent £1bn on the eight big consultancies for all areas of work in the 12 months to August 2020, a 15 per cent increase on the previous year and the first time spending topped £1bn since Tussell began recording data in 2016.

https://www.ft.com/content/8d15927b-53db-472b-b214-75fdc300ece6
And people were saying there were no Brexit opportunities :shootself

Now wouldn't I look silly if it turns out that Chicken Run, Ppf, JCFG/POTG? and pastafarian have actually been partners in the big 4 consultancies all along :lolol:
 
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sparkie

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Jul 17, 2003
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Brexit bonus for the big consultants. Government paid largest firms £306m in two years for specialist work

The UK’s largest consulting firms have been paid more than £306m over the past two years to advise the government on Brexit, according to published contract data. At least 31 contracts have been agreed between government departments and consulting firms including PwC, Deloitte and McKinsey between September 2018 and February 2020 for work related to the UK’s departure from the EU, according to Tussell, a research company monitoring government contracts.

Examples of Brexit work included an attempt to set up a new system for customs declarations to manage the consequences for universities and the science sector. Millions of pounds more will have been spent on consultants for work where the EU is not directly cited but which addresses the knock-on effects of the UK’s departure, Tussell adds.

The government spent £1bn on the eight big consultancies for all areas of work in the 12 months to August 2020, a 15 per cent increase on the previous year and the first time spending topped £1bn since Tussell began recording data in 2016.

https://www.ft.com/content/8d15927b-53db-472b-b214-75fdc300ece6
And people were saying there were no Brexit opportunities :shootself

I'd have charged them under £1 million to advise them to stay in the EEA.

Better advice at a fraction of the cost.
 


JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
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Brexit bonus for the big consultants. Government paid largest firms £306m in two years for specialist work

The UK’s largest consulting firms have been paid more than £306m over the past two years to advise the government on Brexit, according to published contract data. At least 31 contracts have been agreed between government departments and consulting firms including PwC, Deloitte and McKinsey between September 2018 and February 2020 for work related to the UK’s departure from the EU, according to Tussell, a research company monitoring government contracts.

Examples of Brexit work included an attempt to set up a new system for customs declarations to manage the consequences for universities and the science sector. Millions of pounds more will have been spent on consultants for work where the EU is not directly cited but which addresses the knock-on effects of the UK’s departure, Tussell adds.

The government spent £1bn on the eight big consultancies for all areas of work in the 12 months to August 2020, a 15 per cent increase on the previous year and the first time spending topped £1bn since Tussell began recording data in 2016.

https://www.ft.com/content/8d15927b-53db-472b-b214-75fdc300ece6
And people were saying there were no Brexit opportunities :shootself

Now wouldn't I look silly if it turns out that Chicken Run, Ppf, JCFG/POTG? and pastafarian have actually been partners in the big 4 consultancies all along [emoji38]ol:
Bloke ( who wanted no deal) complained continously about lack of preparations for Brexit then complains about HMG spending money on preparing for Brexit ..

The Cabinet Office said: “As a responsible government we have, and will continue to, draw on the expert advice of a range of specialists to prepare for the changes and opportunities that our new trading relationship brings. As a result of our significant preparations, all border systems were in place for the end of the transition period, avoiding disruption at UK ports.”

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WATFORD zero

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Bloke ( who wanted no deal) complained continously about lack of preparations for Brexit then complains about HMG spending money on preparing for Brexit ..

The Cabinet Office said: “As a responsible government we have, and will continue to, draw on the expert advice of a range of specialists to prepare for the changes and opportunities that our new trading relationship brings. As a result of our significant preparations, all border systems were in place for the end of the transition period, avoiding disruption at UK ports.”

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What aspects of Johnson's Irish Sea border over Theresa May's NI backstop convinced an ardent Unionist like yourself to vote for it ?
 


vegster

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May 5, 2008
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Brexit bonus for the big consultants. Government paid largest firms £306m in two years for specialist work

The UK’s largest consulting firms have been paid more than £306m over the past two years to advise the government on Brexit, according to published contract data. At least 31 contracts have been agreed between government departments and consulting firms including PwC, Deloitte and McKinsey between September 2018 and February 2020 for work related to the UK’s departure from the EU, according to Tussell, a research company monitoring government contracts.

Examples of Brexit work included an attempt to set up a new system for customs declarations to manage the consequences for universities and the science sector. Millions of pounds more will have been spent on consultants for work where the EU is not directly cited but which addresses the knock-on effects of the UK’s departure, Tussell adds.

The government spent £1bn on the eight big consultancies for all areas of work in the 12 months to August 2020, a 15 per cent increase on the previous year and the first time spending topped £1bn since Tussell began recording data in 2016.

https://www.ft.com/content/8d15927b-53db-472b-b214-75fdc300ece6
And people were saying there were no Brexit opportunities :shootself

Now wouldn't I look silly if it turns out that Chicken Run, Ppf, JCFG/POTG? and pastafarian have actually been partners in the big 4 consultancies all along :lolol:

Who would have thought that a Tory government would spend over a £billion feathering the nests of quite poorly performing contractors but, have to be shamed in to feeding schoolchildren in poverty an extra few weeks of free school meals a year ?
 


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