[Politics] Brexit

[pb21]

Well apparently not, he can’t get any?



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True. Still at least our indigenous birds won't be able to eat any foreign foods anymore, every cloud and all that.

 

[WATFORD zero]

i know a man who does, says the only way fisherman would have got what they wanted would be outright no deal. they have got a substantial uplift of quotas, they wanted more.

I'm sure they did

But Scottish Fishermen's Federation (SFF) chief executive Elspeth Macdonald accused Mr Johnson of misleading the public about the agreement. "You and your government have spun a line about a 25 per cent uplift in quota for the UK, but you know this is not true, and your deal does not deliver that," Ms Macdonald wrote.

I believe that she is claiming that what Johnson said was factually incorrect

 

[JC Footy Genius]

i know a man who does, says the only way fisherman would have got what they wanted would be outright no deal. they have got a substantial uplift of quotas, they wanted more.

Perhaps that's why Watford zero wanted a no deal outcome.

It's quite confusing because he seems perturbed at all the inconvenience caused by the new trading relationship but actually supported a no deal outcome where the impact would have been far greater


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[WATFORD zero]

I'm afraid this thread has been hijacked by many who are obviously remoaners and will never accept the fact that Brexit was voted through by a majority of UK citizens...twice basically if you count the election.

I'd get behind the fact that it has happened and we make the best of it for everyone who lives here. In time, problems will be ironed out and it will be the new normal, just like Covid and all the complications associated with any new situation we've not experienced before.

If you believe that the thread has been hijacked (and certainly it hasn't been weighted towards the positives up to now), this is the opportunity to take it back. Maybe highlight some positives from the Deal that will give people the opportunity to unite behind and move forward.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Oh, how about this Swedish bird feeder ?

Born in Sweden Window Bird Feeder https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001STQKAQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabc_X7SaGbQ4KE2KB


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Good find, its actually quite nice but not as good as what we have and the birds wouldn't be happy? I didn't realise brexit meant less choice and less internationalism

 

[Chicken Run]

True. Still at least our indigenous birds won't be able to eat any foreign foods anymore, every cloud and all that.

Careful, some might say you’re feeding a troll [emoji23]

Anyway here’s some ‘foreign’ food if they want some overseas tucker [emoji106]

Erdtmanns 35 Summer Suet Balls in a Tub, 3 Kg https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00O51673O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabc_eNTaGbNXQGF25



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[JC Footy Genius]

Run a lot of SME's have you [emoji38]ol:

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ANYTHING BUT BREXIT, ANYTHING BUT BREXIT, ANYTHING BUT BREXIT

Why didn't you post this as POTG ? I believe I know but you could confirm it for me.

PS, How's the job hunting going ? I understand there may be new opportunities in the areas of customs agents, customs officers, import/export specialists, lorry park attendants etc. Just trying to help [emoji106]

Good grief, are you having a fit?

POTG kindly recommended a small Baileys not the whole bottle.

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[Chicken Run]

Good find, its actually quite nice but not as good as what we have and the birds wouldn't be happy? I didn't realise brexit meant less choice and less internationalism

Oh I know [emoji53]


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[Smillie's People]

If goods are made in the EU then they are duty free and it’s extra paperwork, which is really no issue. If a brand or company manufacturers outside the EU (like a TV, a pair of trainers, a polo shirt etc) that’s where the increased costs start due to the “Rule of Origin”.

Importing Italian made leather goods into the U.K. is easy. Exporting Lambswool sweaters made in Hawick, no problem.

Importing trainers made in China to the UK from a European brand DC (like Adidas for example) then duty to pay to HMRC. Exporting a TV made in China to the EU from a UK brand DC then the seller has to pay duty to their equivalent of HMRC.

But at least we get Blue passports!!

UK companies lose out if they export, UK consumers lose out due to increased prices in some sectors.

Wow I just thought, suppose we could get passports in team strips, or would it have to be the "away" strip....

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I'm afraid this thread has been hijacked by many who are obviously remoaners and will never accept the fact that Brexit was voted through by a majority of UK citizens...twice basically if you count the election.

I'd get behind the fact that it has happened and we make the best of it for everyone who lives here. In time, problems will be ironed out and it will be the new normal, just like Covid and all the complications associated with any new situation we've not experienced before.

The issues with exports and imports will not be ironed out. They are here to stay .... it’s easier ship product to Saudi Arabia than to France .... an absolute ****ing mess.


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[Stat Brother]

I'm sure they did

But Scottish Fishermen's Federation (SFF) chief executive Elspeth Macdonald accused Mr Johnson of misleading the public about the agreement. "You and your government have spun a line about a 25 per cent uplift in quota for the UK, but you know this is not true, and your deal does not deliver that," Ms Macdonald wrote.

I believe that she is claiming that what Johnson said was factually incorrect

In least surprising news of the day:-

Elspeth Macdonald looks exactly how you'd expect Elspeth Macdonald to look.

 

[beorhthelm]

I'm sure they did

But Scottish Fishermen's Federation (SFF) chief executive Elspeth Macdonald accused Mr Johnson of misleading the public about the agreement. "You and your government have spun a line about a 25 per cent uplift in quota for the UK, but you know this is not true, and your deal does not deliver that," Ms Macdonald wrote.

I believe that she is claiming that what Johnson said was factually incorrect

i believe she had unrealistic, or misunderstanding, of what the deal provides. they got the zonal attachment (i think) but EU still have substantial quotas. would have to find the quotas for last year and compare to see if 25% increase is accurate or not, and news articles dont bother to dig in that far.

 

[WATFORD zero]

i believe she had unrealistic, or misunderstanding, of what the deal provides. they got the zonal attachment (i think) but EU still have substantial quotas. would have to find the quotas for last year and compare to see if 25% increase is accurate or not, and news articles dont bother to dig in that far.

She seems to think differently

“This industry now finds itself in the worst of both worlds. Your deal leaves us with shares that not only fall very far short of zonal attachment, but in many cases fail to 'bridge the gap' compared to historic catches, and with no ability to leverage more fish from the EU, as they have full access to our waters."

I'll let you take that up with her, she seems to know what she is talking about. My expertise in fish is focused more around beurre noisette and capers

Besides which, there's my pre-match warm up to consider

 

[beorhthelm]

The issues with exports and imports will not be ironed out. They are here to stay .... it’s easier ship product to Saudi Arabia than to France .... an absolute ****ing mess.

why not? as you point out exports go elsewhere, companies getting used to processes they havent used. should be as easy to ship to EU as SA.

 

[Doc Lynam]

Free trade deal was what was said. I buy (a fair bit) of vinyl from the U.K. I bought 4 records last night and had to pay an extra 15% in “custom duties and taxes.”

Purchase was made through Amazon.

What’s this about and does it impact all purchases from the U.K.?

Anyone who's selling to us from abroad or selling from the UK has to collect the tax on the product and fill out the paper work, sending the money to HMRC. There also used to be a lower tax limit, under £15 this has been scrapped so we have to pay tax on near now everything. This means that small business with have an added bureaucratic tax layer that needs to completed and payed for if they don't do it themselves, this reflecting on more small companies weighting up whether its worth the administrative cost and time to deliver to the UK.

VAT used to be collected by buyer on receipt, but now the seller has to collect it, thus acting as a tax collector for our government, be it here or abroad.

Large suppliers will be fine but smaller competition may find its not worth it, so we as customers will more then lightly get a reduction in competitive choices.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I'm afraid this thread has been hijacked by many who are obviously remoaners and will never accept the fact that Brexit was voted through by a majority of UK citizens...twice basically if you count the election.

I'd get behind the fact that it has happened and we make the best of it for everyone who lives here. In time, problems will be ironed out and it will be the new normal, just like Covid and all the complications associated with any new situation we've not experienced before.

I understand the sentiment but using the just-in-time manufacturing process as an example, a process which is based upon frictionless movement of components and no matter how the post-Brexit customs system is improved its simple presence will make the U.K. less competitive, how will this “iron out”? What do you suggest.

Your post is bold, but very very simple, so you must have more to support your idea?

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Amusing how losing a referendum and a couple of general elections has suddenly radicalised them into Europhiles. But its pleasing to see the sudden interest in SME problems although I can't remember any posts about the endless flow of EU red tape effecting 100% of business (not just exporters) hampering small business growth.

*tut*

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I think you'd need to balance any (alleged) benefits to SMEs of less 'EU red tape'* with the loss of readily available labour from the EU and the loss of economic growth following Brexit. These will impact on most non- EUtrading UK SMEs. As for those that are engaged in trade with the EU, I'm not sure that they would recognise the reduction in red tape since Jan 1st (to put it mildly).

*I think you might need to provide some evidence of this 'endless flow'

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I'm afraid this thread has been hijacked by many who are obviously remoaners and will never accept the fact that Brexit was voted through by a majority of UK citizens...twice basically if you count the election.

I'd get behind the fact that it has happened and we make the best of it for everyone who lives here. In time, problems will be ironed out and it will be the new normal, just like Covid and all the complications associated with any new situation we've not experienced before.

The best way to iron out the problems is to join EFTA and then access the Single Market via the EFTA pillar.

Let's get it done.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Anyone who's selling to us from abroad or selling from the UK has to collect the tax on the product and fill out the paper work, sending the money to HMRC. There also used to be a lower tax limit, under £15 this has been scrapped so we have to pay tax on near now everything. This means that small business with have an added bureaucratic tax layer that needs to completed and payed for if they don't do it themselves, this reflecting on more small companies weighting up whether its worth the administrative cost and time to deliver to the UK.

VAT used to be collected by buyer on receipt, but know the seller has to collect it, thus acting as a tax collector for our government, be it here or abroad.

Large suppliers will be fine but smaller competition may find its not worth it, so we as customers will more then lightly get a reduction in competitive choices.

Thanks. This VAT, but VAT wasn’t really my question.....what is the deal with customs and import duty? The extra 15% of whatever I was charged is for this.

 

[Sorrel]

Large suppliers will be fine but smaller competition may find its not worth it, so we as customers will more then lightly get a reduction in competitive choices.

I think this will be the longer-term effect. There probably are opportunities here for someone to do bulk deals for products that are in demand from smaller retailers and then re-sell them individually in Great Britain - taking on the extra paperwork that the smaller companies in the EU don't want to do.

My guess is it will settle down as markets and products tend to find a way (even if that way might be for companies in the EU to not look at the UK for products they can get elsewhere).

Equally - and this will be the test really - there needs to be other trade deals so that those who want to buy products from overseas can get them from locations other than the EU. Which will be fine for many things, but probably not for those of us who want specific products from specific companies that didn't sell much in the UK before this point.