[Politics] Brexit

[vegster]

Any idea why the government didn't go with Erasmus? The EU offered it, seems an absolute betrayal of our young people

Ever since Johnson was elected there seems to have been an official policy of rejecting and avoiding ANY cooperation with EU groups, organisations or protocols at all costs. No common sense has been allowed to intrude on this on principle despite the obvious stupidity.

Ergo, we have to launch our own geostationary satellites for our own GPS despite it being cheaper and more effective to share the EU system etc etc. That's why the Johnson government is trying to launch a cheaper, selfish and insular version called Turing.

 

[Chicken Run]

A deal has been done !

I have to say I’m astonished at the number of people on this thread and others on the main board apparently celebrating this deal, who knew there were so many brexiteers amongst us?

Where were you when we needed back up against the EU Imperial Storm Poopers on the Brexit thread ffs ?

 

[BN41Albion]

This is how I feel. I'm just so sad that democracy has clearly been completely abused, we have an awful prime minister who has pandered to some of the most ignorant and stupid in society, and the whole thing is a massive embarrassment. This thread sums it up. I can't see anything to celebrate really. Any sort of deal was the very least we could expect, so why are Brexiteers lauding it as some sort of triumph? It's like going to a restaurant and the chef coming out and telling you proudly that he's got the oven working. We don't even know the details, except that 80% of our economy is the services industry, and that has been completely ignored.

I don't feel English anymore, so much so that I'd happily move away if it wasn't for family commitments.

You do realise that people in so many countries around the world feel their country is just as ****ed up, if not more? And, in reality, far more countries are more or far more ****ed up than ours is than aren't in one way or another.

Take a moment to remember that despite Brexit, we still live in a very progressive, tolerant (be it of race or sexuality) and stable country compared to many, many countries around the world.

 

[vegster]

You do realise that people in so many countries around the world feel their country is just as ****ed up, if not more? And, in reality, far more countries are more or far more ****ed up than ours is than aren't in one way or another.

Take a moment to remember that despite Brexit, we still live in a very progressive, tolerant (be it of race or sexuality) and stable country compared to many, many countries around the world.

I would have a little look at some of the threads and replies on here before saying " far more countries are more ****ed up than ours "... The recent Eddie Izzard Thread would be a good starting point.

Progressive... We are not.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Incredible & Emotional Day - Thank you Boris. I hope you get your own column like Nelson & in years to come subsequent generations will look up to you with a tear in their eyes - having given us back our pride, identity & independence.

The nation will be ever so thankful - I hope the Queen bestows the highest possible honour to you.

Arise Sir Johnson.

 

[Baldseagull]

That's an unnecessarily foolish and provocative comment. It serves no good purpose.

much like Brexit.

 

[BadFish]

Done at last, the beloved Tories' tax havens are safe and they can now make decisions without the checks and balances of the EU.

Merry Christmas one and all.

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[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Let's all pull together and do what exactly?

A giant game of soggy biscuit?

 

[BN41Albion]

I would have a little look at some of the threads and replies on here before saying " far more countries are more ****ed up than ours "... The recent Eddie Izzard Thread would be a good starting point.

Progressive... We are not.

Being ranked in the top 20 for social progressiveness out of 195 countries suggest we very much are in comparison to a vast number of countries. Its obvious we are anyway, without looking at rankings. We're very diverse, our lgbt rights etc are way ahead of many countries.

Not saying we're perfect by any means. Of course we're not. But saying 'I don't feel English anymore, I'd move away if I could...' is silly when you take a step back and look at the politics and issues that most countries have. Everyone lauds Scandinavian countries, for example, but look beneath the squeeky clean surface and you'll find big issues with immigration and racism, for example.

 

[Hugo Rune]

This is how I feel. I'm just so sad that democracy has clearly been completely abused, we have an awful prime minister who has pandered to some of the most ignorant and stupid in society, and the whole thing is a massive embarrassment. This thread sums it up. I can't see anything to celebrate really. Any sort of deal was the very least we could expect, so why are Brexiteers lauding it as some sort of triumph? It's like going to a restaurant and the chef coming out and telling you proudly that he's got the oven working. We don't even know the details, except that 80% of our economy is the services industry, and that has been completely ignored.

I don't feel English anymore, so much so that I'd happily move away if it wasn't for family commitment.

I agree with this sentiment.

Most honest Brexiteers know the economy is going to be screwed for a few generations and that the concept of Britain and the UK will now be under the microscope as Scotland & Norn Iron try to leave in what will be called Scotixt or something.

However, this was about taking back control.

Control we now have (of sorts).

 

[FIVESTEPS]

Any idea why the government didn't go with Erasmus? The EU offered it, seems an absolute betrayal of our young people

Perhaps a scheme costing millions to send 15 thousand students from the mainly middle and upper classes to study abroad wasn't considered good value for money?

 

[El Presidente]

Perhaps a scheme costing millions to send 15 thousand students from the mainly middle and upper classes to study abroad wasn't considered good value for money?

You have ignored the fees earned by UK universities from providing courses for 31,000 EU students.

HE in this country is one of our few remaining world class industries and this decision is a backwards one.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Any idea why the government didn't go with Erasmus? The EU offered it, seems an absolute betrayal of our young people

If that’s true, it’s appalling, short-sighted and jingoistic in the extreme. Rejecting something wonderfully worthwhile just because it’s European.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Incredible & Emotional Day - Thank you Boris. I hope you get your own column like Nelson & in years to come subsequent generations will look up to you with a tear in their eyes - having given us back our pride, identity & independence.

The nation will be ever so thankful - I hope the Queen bestows the highest possible honour to you.

Arise Sir Johnson.

Oh how I wish just for once we had a thumbs down option still

 

[BBassic]

If that’s true, it’s appalling, short-sighted and jingoistic in the extreme. Rejecting something wonderfully worthwhile just because it’s European.

Brexit in a nutshell.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

You have ignored the fees earned by UK universities from providing courses for 31,000 EU students.

HE in this country is one of our few remaining world class industries and this decision is a backwards one.

Out of sheer interest, what is to stop those 31000 coming now - all they need to do is apply for a student visa surely ?

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

You don't seem to have understood the Parliamentary democratic process that has lead to Brexit very well. Let us then look at your hanging scenario.

In the highly unlikely event of parliament offering the UK a referendum on bringing back hanging, and the equally unlikely event of 51% voting in favour of it, I have no doubt at all that Parliament would block any such legislation. Bit like Brexit really, eh?

Should a General Election then be called, and one of the parties stood with a manifesto commitment to bring back hanging, and if they were then elected with a massive (say about 80 seats) majority in the Commons, they would then have a mandate to do just that, and it would be re-introduced through the medium of Parliamentary democracy.

Of course, many people would be very unhappy about it, but that is how Parliamentary democracy works. It would be a very arrogant stance to take to suggest that anyone who disagrees with you on a give topic - Brexit, let's say - doesn't understand Parliamentary democracy. I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that.

Normal practice for a referendum on something as critical as Brexit (or hanging) would be for it not to be decided on a straight majority. That was Cameron’s biggest mistake, probably. They would often need to be 60/40, precisely to prevent the lunatics from taking over the asylum.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

You do realise that people in so many countries around the world feel their country is just as ****ed up, if not more? And, in reality, far more countries are more or far more ****ed up than ours is than aren't in one way or another.

Take a moment to remember that despite Brexit, we still live in a very progressive, tolerant (be it of race or sexuality) and stable country compared to many, many countries around the world.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

You have ignored the fees earned by UK universities from providing courses for 31,000 EU students.

HE in this country is one of our few remaining world class industries and this decision is a backwards one.

Surely many EU students will still come here despite paying higher fees and any drop in their numbers could be (more than) offset by international students who pay more to study at our Universities.

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[Hugo Rune]

Surely many EU students will still come here despite paying higher fees and any drop in their numbers could be (more than) offset by international students who pay more to study at our Universities.

Why would non EU international Student numbers go up? There are 2,000+ Chinese Students as Sussex Uni for example already, there is no driver for these numbers to go up.

Many European Students come to Britain for language skills through Erasmus, it’s probable that they’ll now shift to Ireland or Scandinavia where we know English is spoken widely.