[Politics] Brexit

[Is it PotG?]

That answer alone says everything.

Just listening in on the Suffolk EU Alliance:

 

[daveinplzen]

Just listening in on the Suffolk EU Alliance:

So tell me. You say look forward, and not backwards. Tell me about forwards, rather than worrying about one of the many sources to the information you have been given.

 

[Randy McNob]

So natural = nearest?

Poppycock.

Next.

I think the answer is more to do with the US withdrawing from the UN

 

[WATFORD zero]

We are still enjoying EU benefits. You dopey ****

You use the word 'enjoying'.

Please enlighten me.

Membership of the world’s largest trading bloc with over 500 million consumers, representing 23% of global GDP
The UK has greater global influence as a member of the EU
The EU provides a counterweight to the global power of the US, Russia and China
With Trump in the White House the UK’s strongest natural allies are France, Germany and our other West European neighbours
Tariff-free trade within the EU
The abolition of non-tariff barriers (quotas, subsidies, administrative rules etc.) among members
Participation in free trade agreements with Japan and Canada as an EU member
The EU accounts for 44% of all UK exports of goods and services
The EU accounts for 53% of all UK imports of goods and services
Cheaper food and alcohol imports from continental Europe
As a member of the EU the UK maintains a say in the shaping of the rules governing its trade with its European partners
3.1 million jobs in the UK are directly linked to exports to the EU
Free movement of labour has helped UK firms plug skills gaps (translators, doctors, plumbers)
Free movement of labour has helped address shortages of unskilled workers (fruit picking, catering)
The Single Market has brought the best continental footballers to the Premier League
The EU accounts for 47% of the UK’s stock of inward Foreign Direct Investment (FDI), worth over $1.2 trillion
Access to the EU Single Market has helped attract investment into the UK from outside the EU
No paperwork or customs for UK exports throughout the single market
Price transparency and removal of commissions on currency transactions across the Eurozone
FDI into the UK has effectively doubled since the creation of the EU Single Market
The UK’s net contribution to the EU budget is around €7.3bn, or 0.4% of GDP (less than an eighth of the UK’s defence spending)
No time consuming border checks for travellers (apart from in the UK)
The City of London, as a global financial hub, has acted as a bridge between foreign business and the EU
British banks and insurance companies have been able to operate freely across the EU
Cornwall receives up to £750 million per year from the EU Social Fund (ESF)
Structural funding for areas of the UK hit by industrial decline (South Wales, Yorkshire)
Support for rural areas under the European Agricultural Fund for Regional Development (EAFRD)
EU funding for infrastructure projects in the UK including £122 million for the “Midlands engine” project
Financial support from the EU for over 3,000 small and medium enterprises (SMEs) in the UK
EU funding for the British film industry
EU funding for British theatre, music and dance
EU funding for British sport, including football apprenticeships, tennis and rugby league
Glasgow (1990) and Liverpool (2008) benefitted from being European capitals of culture, stimulating their local economies
EU competition laws protect consumers by combatting monopolistic business practices
Strict controls on the operations of Multinational Corporations (MNCs) in the EU
Human Rights protected under the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights
The death penalty can never be reintroduced as it is incompatible with EU membership
Minority languages such as Welsh and Irish are recognized and protected under EU law
The right to reside in any EU member state
The freedom to work in 28 countries without visa and immigration restrictions
The mutual recognition of professional qualifications has facilitated the free movement of engineers, teachers and doctors across the EU
The mutual recognition of educational diplomas
The Common European Framework of Reference for Languages (CEFR) has standardized assessment of language proficiency across the EU
The freedom to study in 28 countries (many EU universities teach courses in English and charge lower fees than in the UK)
The Erasmus programme of university exchanges (benefitting 16000 UK students a year)
The freedom to set up a business in 28 countries
The ability to retire in any member state
Pension transferability
The right to vote in local and European Parliamentary elections if resident in any member state
EU laws making it easier for British people to buy property on the continent
The right to receive emergency healthcare in any member state (EHIC card)
Consular protection from any EU embassy outside the EU
The EU has played a leading role in combatting global warming (Paris 2015 climate change conference)
Common EU greenhouse gas emissions targets (19% reduction from 1990 to 2015)
Improvements in air quality (significant reductions in sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides) as a result of EU legislation
Reductions in sewage emissions
Improvements in the quality of beaches and bathing water
EU standards on the quality of drinking water
Restrictions on landfill dumping
EU targets for recycling
Common EU regulations on the transportation and disposal of toxic waste
The implementation of EU policies to reduce noise pollution in urban areas
EU policies have stimulated offshore wind farms
Strict safety standards for cars, buses and trucks
Protection of endangered species and habitats (EU Natura 2000 network)
Strict ban on animal testing in the cosmetics industry
Membership of the European Medicines Agency (EMA) which monitors the quality and safety of medicines (until recently located in London)
13% of EU budget earmarked for scientific research and innovation
The UK receives £730 million a year in EU funding for research
EU funding for UK universities
Cooperation in the peaceful use of nuclear energy as a member of Euratom
Minimum paid annual leave and time off work (Working Time Directive)
Equal pay between men and women enshrined in European law since 1957
The right to work no more than 48 hours a week without paid overtime
Minimum guaranteed maternity leave of 14 weeks for pregnant women
Rights to a minimum 18 weeks of parental leave after child birth
EU anti-discrimination laws governing age, religion and sexual orientation
EU rules governing health and safety at work
The rights to collective bargaining and trade union membership are enshrined in EU employment law
The UK enjoys an opt out from the single currency and maintains full control of its borders as a non-member of the Schengen area
Since 1985 the UK has received a budget rebate equivalent to 66% of its net contribution to the EU budget
EU cross-country coordination offers greater protection from terrorists, pedophiles, people traffickers and cyber-crime
The European common arrest warrant
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection
EU consumer protection laws concerning transparency and product guarantees of quality and safety
Improved food labeling
A ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives
Cheaper air travel due to EU competition laws
Common EU air passenger rights
Deregulation of the European energy market has increased consumer choice and lowered prices
Mutual recognition of the common European driving license
The introduction of the European pet passport
The abolition of mobile telephone roaming charges
The EU acts as a guarantor of the Irish Good Friday Agreement
A frictionless Irish border
The EU acts as a guarantor of the special status of Gibraltar
The EU helped support and maintain democracy in Spain, Portugal and Greece from the 1970s and these countries have become major destinations for British tourists
EU membership has helped facilitate intercultural dialogue

Have no fear Randy, I'm aboard the choo-choo.

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It's almost as if you've spent the last 4 years trying to avoid being enlightened.

I'm sure I've told you when you've been logged onto this account, try and avoid discussion and stick to the meaningless vacuous optimism of three word slogans like Brexit means Brexit, On our way, A Blue and White brexit. Because unfortunately whenever you try anything else you simply end up looking foolish

Only trying to help

Tick tock

 

[A1X]

All a bit Alan Partridge, innit?

You tell me, you're the one trying to discredit it based on who said it, not what was said.

 

[Is it PotG?]

You tell me, you're the one trying to discredit it based on who said it, not what was said.

Like I said, many points highly subjective rather than factually based.

 

[Is it PotG?]

It's almost as if you've spent the last 4 years trying to avoid being enlightened.

I'm sure I've told you when you've been logged onto this account, try and avoid discussion and stick to the meaningless vacuous optimism of three word slogans like Brexit means Brexit, On our way, A Blue and White Brexit. Because unfortunately whenever you try anything else you simply end up looking foolish

Only trying to help

Tick tock

I think I'll leave the 'looking foolish' to the experts.

On Our Way

 

[WATFORD zero]

I think I'll leave the 'looking foolish' to the experts.

On Our Way

That's better. Know your limits

 

[Randy McNob]

Like I said, many points highly subjective rather than factually based.

Surely, in any case, it is not about whether EU membership is beneficial but whether leaving the EU is a better situation and, whether subjective or not, one cannot demonstrate the advantages. The government cannot even deliver one 1 of the 10 promises in the contract with the British people

98 benefits of EU membership were given V 0 benefits of leaving

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

https://twitter.com/pernilleru/status/1313051137877192704?s=24

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Like I said, many points highly subjective rather than factually based.

I disagree with you in that the overwhelming majority are verifiable. But I do agree that it would be useful to see the sources. If the boot were on the other foot I'd expect to see see the sources of anti-EU claims, so just being consistent. (Plus - pedant alert! - it's an occupational hazard for someone who spent his professional life telling students to reference stuff.......)

 

[Randy McNob]

So Priti Patel's immigration bill was defeated in the house of lords

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/immigration-bill-end-freedom-movement-defeated-house-lords/

 

[daveinplzen]

I disagree with you in that the overwhelming majority are verifiable. But I do agree that it would be useful to see the sources. If the boot were on the other foot I'd expect to see see the sources of anti-EU claims, so just being consistent. (Plus - pedant alert! - it's an occupational hazard for someone who spent his professional life telling students to reference stuff.......)

Ive already posted it.

http://suffolkeualliance.org/wp-con...e-98-BENEFITS-FOR-THE-UK-OF-EU-MEMBERSHIP.pdf


He seems unable to discuss any of the points, and would rather make an issue about who posted it. The points are not going to change because of the source.

 

[nicko31]

https://twitter.com/pernilleru/status/1313051137877192704?s=24

The Japanese are feeling betrayed, invested in the UK in good faith

 

[nicko31]

Ive already posted it.

http://suffolkeualliance.org/wp-con...e-98-BENEFITS-FOR-THE-UK-OF-EU-MEMBERSHIP.pdf


He seems unable to discuss any of the points, and would rather make an issue about who posted it. The points are not going to change because of the source.

Lets focus on the benefits of Brexit, any update from the usual suspects? There must be something..

 

[Randy McNob]

Sunlit uplands....

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[nicko31]

Sunlit uplands....

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There's no getting away from it we feel like a nation in decline right now, we are destroying the foundations of recovery.

Covid, Brexit and serial government incompentence in almost every area, its the perfect storm.

I'm afraid a lot of people are going to lose their shirts, the liars and charlatans that got us here will ultimately run away

 

[Mo Gosfield]

There's no getting away from it we feel like a nation in decline right now, we are destroying the foundations of recovery.

Covid, Brexit and serial government incompentence in almost every area, its the perfect storm.

I'm afraid a lot of people are going to lose their shirts, the liars and charlatans that got us here will ultimately run away

You are overplaying the effects of Brexit, massively underplaying the effects of Covid and I'm afraid government incompetence has been with us since the dawn of time. We all have to acknowledge that the overall likely effect of Brexit is but a dribble of water compared to the Tsunami of Covid. Brexit wouldn't have brought whole industries to its knees. Airline, Cruise, Tourism, Hospitality and thousands and thousands of businesses almost totally reliant on the office worker. Theatre, Cinema, Sport, Music and outside and inside attractions all decimated. Potentially 3-4 million unemployed, hundreds of thousands of businesses gone forever and underlying trends in society and business accelerated by 5-10 years in six months. Covid and its effects are here, right now and are undermining the whole fabric of society. There are no liars and charlatans where Covid is concerned. It is a destroyer on a global scale.
Covid dwarfs Brexit in impact. There is simply no comparison. None of us have a crystal ball about what trade deals are or are not going to happen and quite frankly, the majority of the population are not worrying themselves senseless over Brexit. In fact, it is inconsequential to those fighting to survive at the moment. There are 1000x more lives and livelihoods at risk due to Covid. Whole swathes of industry, who would have been relatively untouched by Brexit, are in survival mode. That is the reality.

 

[A1X]

Brexit wouldn't have brought whole industries to its knees.

Try telling that to the car industry, several tech industries, science / pharmaceuticals, chemicals, road haulage, international rail companies, farming...

 

[nicko31]

You are overplaying the effects of Brexit, massively underplaying the effects of Covid and I'm afraid government incompetence has been with us since the dawn of time. We all have to acknowledge that the overall likely effect of Brexit is but a dribble of water compared to the Tsunami of Covid. Brexit wouldn't have brought whole industries to its knees. Airline, Cruise, Tourism, Hospitality and thousands and thousands of businesses almost totally reliant on the office worker. Theatre, Cinema, Sport, Music and outside and inside attractions all decimated. Potentially 3-4 million unemployed, hundreds of thousands of businesses gone forever and underlying trends in society and business accelerated by 5-10 years in six months. Covid and its effects are here, right now and are undermining the whole fabric of society. There are no liars and charlatans where Covid is concerned. It is a destroyer on a global scale.
Covid dwarfs Brexit in impact. There is simply no comparison. None of us have a crystal ball about what trade deals are or are not going to happen and quite frankly, the majority of the population are not worrying themselves senseless over Brexit. In fact, it is inconsequential to those fighting to survive at the moment. There are 1000x more lives and livelihoods at risk due to Covid. Whole swathes of industry, who would have been relatively untouched by Brexit, are in survival mode. That is the reality.

Yes I agree covid dwarfs Brexit but not by 1000 of times as you expressed. There are industries that are not effected so much by Covid that will be crushed by Brexit. Its the worse possible time to be imposing trade sanctions on ourselves and f**king over manufacturing, pharma, financial services, agri and more, the industries that provide high quality jobs that ultimately pay the nations bills

Don't think the negative effects Brexit (formerly sunny uplands) can be buried under covid, it won't wash