[Politics] Brexit

[Pretty pink fairy]

Page 11000! To rework a quote from Enoch Powell (of whom many in these parts would appear to be fans), a veritable 'river of bile'.

Look out for a Boris gets tough speech today. This was previewed in an interview by Raub on TV yesterday. (There's something cruel about Raub: he looks like the sort of bloke who'd tell his children off for not pulling the wings off butterflies.)

Look forward to hearing it we're a Soveriegn nation now who can call the shots when required, no need for more flakey libralism and right ons ,failed ,failed failed
Regards
DF

 

[Simster]

Look forward to hearing it we're a Soveriegn nation now who can call the shots when required, no need for more flakey libralism and right ons ,failed ,failed failed
Regards
DF

And I'm looking forward to a reply from you telling me why you voted for Brexit.

I fear we will both be disappointed. On the one hand, we will end up doing as we're told by the Americans and the EU in order to secure half decent trade deals so won't be calling any shots whatsoever, and on the other, you won't be able to put into words why you voted for Brexit because you're a racist simpleton.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Look forward to hearing it we're a Soveriegn nation now who can call the shots when required, no need for more flakey libralism and right ons ,failed ,failed failed
Regards
DF

We've just given away more sovereignty than at any time since William the Conqueror landed at Hastings.

 

[CheeseRolls]

Flicking through The Observer Sunday lunchtime in the pub and I got to about page 8, where there was a half page advert from HM Gov, to let us know Brexit was done. There was of course plenty of coverage of said news event on Pages 1-7.

Now I used to work with media buyers, so I understand the basics of target audiences and I appreciate that there are people out there, who maybe are not aware of what is happening around them. However how does placing an advert in a newspaper help to reach these people? Is there some special audience category, who say grab the Sunday papers, jump straight into the middle section, check out if there is a sale on at Furniture Village and read no further?

Roll on the end of the transition period, when we are no longer forced by the EU to waste our money on such nonsense.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Page 11000! To rework a quote from Enoch Powell (of whom many in these parts would appear to be fans), a veritable 'river of bile'.


Well lets hope we have a severe drought asap, brought on by maturity and collective spirit and this particularly heavily polluted river, dries up, never to re-emerge.

 

[ManOfSussex]

We've just given away more sovereignty than at any time since William the Conqueror landed at Hastings.

I'm sorry, but that's just complete and utter nonsense. He landed at Pevensey.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

And I'm looking forward to a reply from you telling me why you voted for Brexit.

I fear we will both be disappointed. On the one hand, we will end up doing as we're told by the Americans and the EU in order to secure half decent trade deals so won't be calling any shots whatsoever, and on the other, you won't be able to put into words why you voted for Brexit because you're a racist simpleton.

Sorry to gatecrash this private party but perhaps you might, with your intellectual superiority, explain to the many millions who voted to leave a far from ideal trading bloc because they saw no hope of reform ( and we are all agreed it does need reforming and in 47 years there has been no CAP reform ) just what the future does hold for those countries left in the Union? What will the EU do to help the impoverished southern Mediterranean countries, that have been economically destroyed by the Eurozone. Will it continue to allow the two power brokers, France and Germany, to continue to forge ever closer trading relationships, outside of EU general terms? Will the EU continue to grow, embracing the whole of the European land mass, except Russia? Will it push on with this expansion, despite every sensible forecast and all previous history, suggesting that expansionism on this scale is unsustainable. On the homefront, will the 80%+ of all business in this country ( approx 3.5 - 4 million ) and who do no direct trade with Europe, benefit or not from now being outside the rules and regulations of the EU? And while you are at it, will we beat Watford on Saturday?

 

[Simster]

Sorry to gatecrash this private party but perhaps you might, with your intellectual superiority, explain to the many millions who voted to leave a far from ideal trading bloc because they saw no hope of reform ( and we are all agreed it does need reforming and in 47 years there has been no CAP reform ) just what the future does hold for those countries left in the Union? What will the EU do to help the impoverished southern Mediterranean countries, that have been economically destroyed by the Eurozone. Will it continue to allow the two power brokers, France and Germany, to continue to forge ever closer trading relationships, outside of EU general terms? Will the EU continue to grow, embracing the whole of the European land mass, except Russia? Will it push on with this expansion, despite every sensible forecast and all previous history, suggesting that expansionism on this scale is unsustainable. On the homefront, will the 80%+ of all business in this country ( approx 3.5 - 4 million ) and who do no direct trade with Europe, benefit or not from now being outside the rules and regulations of the EU? And while you are at it, will we beat Watford on Saturday?

I'm not suggesting my intellectual superiority extends to everyone, but it certainly does to that ppf moron, so do stop pissing your knickers over it.

There are all sorts of issues surrounding the EU, I don't think anyone suggested it was some sort of Utopia. But in all seriousness, you have to ask first and foremost whether we are better inside or outside.
Personally I think the answer to that is inside and we are now beginning to see why. Ireland has been backed to the hilt over the land border, Spain is now being backed to the hilt over Gibraltar - the EU is clearly far more powerful together than we are. And further evidence of this will be that we won't have any clout over the Americans when it comes to a trade deal. We will take all their crap, poor-hygiene food, British farmers will end up cutting costs and standards in order to compete, and so if you want to eat food of the standard you are accustomed to, you'll have to buy EU sourced food - which with tariffs will now be considerably more expensive. And don't even start on access to the NHS for American drug companies.

Let's talk about the southern Med countries then - first of all, who made them join the Eurozone in the first place? I'll admit I wanted us in at the time, but can see now that I'd have been wrong. Our economy is not set up in the way as other nations (we buy our houses), so a central bank could never have served our needs. I'd say Greece and Italy should have done a better job of looking at their own economic indicators and managing their economies properly before lying in order to fit the criteria for a giant vanity project.

But let's be clear - the issue over the Eurozone is NOT the same thing as membership of the EU anyway.

On the homefront, there will be benefits to the 80% of businesses that don't trade with the EU, but I suspect these benefits are massively overstated. For every business that felt hamstrung by EU regs, there will be 10 that barely felt EU regs were anything other than a minor inconvenience. And wait, some of those EU regs are actually for consumer protection anyway.


As for Watford, we will play well and take the lead but I wouldn't rule out throwing it away in the last quarter of the game. And that of course will probably be the EU's fault according to people like you.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

I'm sorry, but that's just complete and utter nonsense. He landed at Pevensey.

Most historical experts are now agreed that he landed between Pevensey and Cooden. The site is close to the 17th groyne going eastwards from Pevensey. The groyne can be identified by an ancient marking that reads...' Tracey loves Kevin ' and symbolised, most appropriately, by an arrow.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Sorry to gatecrash this private party but perhaps you might, with your intellectual superiority, explain to the many millions who voted to leave a far from ideal trading bloc because they saw no hope of reform ( and we are all agreed it does need reforming and in 47 years there has been no CAP reform ) just what the future does hold for those countries left in the Union? What will the EU do to help the impoverished southern Mediterranean countries, that have been economically destroyed by the Eurozone. Will it continue to allow the two power brokers, France and Germany, to continue to forge ever closer trading relationships, outside of EU general terms? Will the EU continue to grow, embracing the whole of the European land mass, except Russia? Will it push on with this expansion, despite every sensible forecast and all previous history, suggesting that expansionism on this scale is unsustainable. On the homefront, will the 80%+ of all business in this country ( approx 3.5 - 4 million ) and who do no direct trade with Europe, benefit or not from now being outside the rules and regulations of the EU? And while you are at it, will we beat Watford on Saturday?

A lot of this lofty speculation even if proven correct might lead one to a conclusion that there could well be a good time for the UK to leave the EU, But not now.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Did Boris fall out of bed to deliver this speech?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Not everyone who comes from the Middle East is Muslim. I know a couple of Iranian families, who came here, who are Christian, so would be against Sharia Law.

Unfortunately people who think simply in terms of them and us, seem unable to make a distinction.

The 'them and us' narrative is what drove Brexit. As has been said, Brexit is what happens when a sense of superiority meets a sense of victimhood.

"We're better than the Europeans and now they're ganging up on us. It's us against them. They want to punish us for being superior. We have to fight back. Float them aircraft carriers."

It's like being in the home end at Millwall.

 

[vegster]

The 'them and us' narrative is what drove Brexit. As has been said, Brexit is what happens when a sense of superiority meets a sense of victimhood.

"We're better than the Europeans and now they're ganging up on us. It's us against them. They want to punish us for being superior. We have to fight back. Float them aircraft carriers."

It's like being in the home end at Millwall.

The bad news is the the EU will get the blame when Johnson fails to get his amazing deal/s. Currently we are in the year of "cake and eat it" ... Frictionless trade plus all the other benefits, when they suddenly go in 11 months it won't be the fault of Johnson, the ERG and flag waving Brexiteers. They won't own that!

 

[Klaas]

The bad news is the the EU will get the blame when Johnson fails to get his amazing deal/s. Currently we are in the year of "cake and eat it" ... Frictionless trade plus all the other benefits, when they suddenly go in 11 months it won't be the fault of Johnson, the ERG and flag waving Brexiteers. They won't own that!

Without a shadow of a doubt.

 

[WATFORD zero]

The bad news is the the EU will get the blame when Johnson fails to get his amazing deal/s. Currently we are in the year of "cake and eat it" ... Frictionless trade plus all the other benefits, when they suddenly go in 11 months it won't be the fault of Johnson, the ERG and flag waving Brexiteers. They won't own that!

Shirely not. I thought all leavers knew exactly what they were voting for and I definitely know that

[MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] was voting for a border down the Irish Sea
[MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION] was voting for the rollout of Universal Credits

 

[daveinplzen]

The bad news is the the EU will get the blame when Johnson fails to get his amazing deal/s. Currently we are in the year of "cake and eat it" ... Frictionless trade plus all the other benefits, when they suddenly go in 11 months it won't be the fault of Johnson, the ERG and flag waving Brexiteers. They won't own that!

It wont be a year in reality to get things dealt with. It will be about 7 actual working months. It will be the disastrous 'no deal' exit.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The bad news is the the EU will get the blame when Johnson fails to get his amazing deal/s. Currently we are in the year of "cake and eat it" ... Frictionless trade plus all the other benefits, when they suddenly go in 11 months it won't be the fault of Johnson, the ERG and flag waving Brexiteers. They won't own that!

But, but we were promised an oven ready deal by Johnson.

 

[A1X]

It wont be a year in reality to get things dealt with. It will be about 7 actual working months. It will be the disastrous 'no deal' exit.

And their cheerleaders, including those on this thread, will be more than happy to blame the EU for it. Oh sure, they won't actually be able to explain why the EU is to blame for it, but they'll 100% know for certain that it is definitely their fault.

 

[sparkie]

We have to have a change in mind set.

The EU is now just another "country/trade entity".

If we are unable to negotiate a trade deal with them, it is what it is. No blame anywhere, the leaders just can't agree.

If we cannot agree a trade deal with the US, or with Japan, or with India etc. etc. we do not blame those parties, we just realise that we couldn't agree anything.


And we get a trade deal at some point in the future when the leaders can agree.

 

[Simster]

We have to have a change in mind set.

The EU is now just another "country/trade entity".

If we are unable to negotiate a trade deal with them, it is what it is. No blame anywhere, the leaders just can't agree.

If we cannot agree a trade deal with the US, or with Japan, or with India etc. etc. we do not blame those parties, we just realise that we couldn't agree anything.


And we get a trade deal at some point in the future when the leaders can agree.

And ignore the fact that we already had a perfectly good trade in place with everybody already? One where we had no tariffs or customs checks when products and services crossed 27 different borders, and another one with the US that protected our interests as a trading block as large as them?