Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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...and if the parliament concerned won't agree what the government wants the people are told to elect one that does. Repeatedly, until, fed up and exhausted, they do.
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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...and if the parliament concerned won't agree what the government wants the people are told to elect one that does. Repeatedly, until, fed up and exhausted, they do.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Respecting democracy is a mantra. Democracy can be corrupted and wrong, so people won’t sit down and shut up.
Those who fought against a democratic vote ensured that men under 30 could vote, women could vote, got rid of the corn laws, freed slavery, and gave the vote for women.
We don’t pay poll tax now because a democratic vote was overturned.
I won’t sit down and shut up.
Those who fought against a democratic vote ensured that men under 30 could vote, women could vote, got rid of the corn laws, freed slavery, and gave the vote for women.
We don’t pay poll tax now because a democratic vote was overturned.
I won’t sit down and shut up.
- Jul 10, 2003
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So, in amongst yet another night of your regular visceral ranting and drivel, you try and include a single fact - and, as usual, get it completely wrong
From the WTO's own website
https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/fact2_e.htm
1. Most-favoured-nation (MFN): treating other people equally Under the WTO agreements, countries cannot normally discriminate between their trading partners. Grant someone a special favour (such as a lower customs duty rate for one of their products) and you have to do the same for all other WTO members.
Some exceptions are allowed. For example, countries can set up a free trade agreement that applies only to goods traded within the group — discriminating against goods from outside.
I have tried to help before, but when you get to the point that you are fantasising to this degree, you really should cut back on your puff, porn and your 'all night, nuts deep sessions on Battlefield 1 with your boys' and maybe get a little bit of sleep
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- Jul 10, 2003
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From a sad remainer, shut the fxxk up whinging
Out of interest, you agreed, 'as a remainer', that Brexit would be hugely damaging to the British economy, British business and the British people. So why are you so determined to see the majority of people you left behind in Britain when you emigrated f***ed over.
It just seems a little strange to me
- Jul 10, 2003
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Garry Nelson's teacher
Well-known member
So, in amongst yet another night of your regular visceral ranting and drivel, you try and include a single fact - and, as usual, get it completely wrong
From the WTO's own website
https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/fact2_e.htm
1. Most-favoured-nation (MFN): treating other people equally Under the WTO agreements, countries cannot normally discriminate between their trading partners. Grant someone a special favour (such as a lower customs duty rate for one of their products) and you have to do the same for all other WTO members.
Some exceptions are allowed. For example, countries can set up a free trade agreement that applies only to goods traded within the group — discriminating against goods from outside.
I have tried to help before, but when you get to the point that you are fantasising to this degree, you really should cut back on your puff, porn and your 'all night, nuts deep sessions on Battlefield 1 with your boys' and maybe get a little bit of sleep
As a keen student of Pasta's rhetoric, I've noticed that one of his characteristics is to drill down into a technical matter and issue pronouncements which are clearly intended to be definitive. It's a bit of a Leaver thing - like when they interview a Leaver in a pub in somewhere such as Stoke and he'll say something like "leave the negotiations to me and I'll have it sorted in a couple of hours". It must be great to be so blessed with so much self-confidence; but equally a burden to be cursed with so much anger.
Grombleton
Surrounded by <div>s
- Dec 31, 2011
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I'm sorry, where have I stated that again?
From a sad remainer, shut the fxxk up whinging
I refer you to post #108866
Well said.
You'll also find that many who say we have to leave because of a democratic vote have also threatened the brexit gammon Rivers of Blood (civil unrest) if, by some quirk or reason, Brexit doesn't happen.
And the thing that makes me laugh the most is old droopy invoking the rule of law and democracy (the very first thing on his mind back in the 80s on match day - not).
I know we can all be guilty of hypocrisy when it suits us, but for some of these Brexitter scoundrels it is their first refuge, rather than their last
I'm all for fighting for your views but comparing fighting the Brexit result to some of the things on your list is somewhat over dramatic to say the least.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Well said.
You'll also find that many who say we have to leave because of a democratic vote have also threatened the brexit gammon Rivers of Blood (civil unrest) if, by some quirk or reason, Brexit doesn't happen.
And the thing that makes me laugh the most is old droopy invoking the rule of law and democracy (the very first thing on his mind back in the 80s on match day - not).
I know we can all be guilty of hypocrisy when it suits us, but for some of these Brexitter scoundrels it is their first refuge, rather than their last
Monkey see, monkey do
- Jul 10, 2003
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You may think that the implications of Brexit aren't huge, others maybe not. But enough of this whataboutism.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the new Irish Sea Border procedures, after Johnson insisted throughout the campaign (and when he took up the solution that Theresa May had already turned down) that there wouldn't be any. And I know you were a supporter of this solution.
Because I can only see massive downsides to business on both sides of the new border, and no benefits whatsoever
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Klaas
I've changed this
- Nov 1, 2017
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As proud as leavers were of the March for Brexit not so long ago. Britain's finest I'm sure.
Garry Nelson's teacher
Well-known member
After the bollox about levelling up, could this be the reality?
https://www.theguardian.com/society...could-lose-millions-in-council-funding-review
https://www.theguardian.com/society...could-lose-millions-in-council-funding-review
Mo Gosfield
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- Aug 11, 2010
- 6,362
Why Stoke?
Why not Brighton or Guildford or Marlow or Winchester or Torquay or Islington or Chiswick or Richmond. These places also have lots of the stereotypes you cite. I suppose its a ' Remainer thing ' to categorize whole swathes of the country as thick, racist and xenophobic and we are now saddled with this inverted snobbery for years to come.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Where did Garry Nelson's teacher say 'thick, racist and xenophobic' as i must have missed it ?
Unless you mean this post
or maybe one of these
I could go on but, frankly, can't be arsed
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Garry Nelson's teacher
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I lived in Stoke, back in the day. So when the BBC were camped there for a short while, I tended to be drawn to various vox pops. These were (to me) invariably depressing to a painful degree, as I watched an almost endless stream of angry, dispossessed people blaming the EU for their woes and swallowing the Johnson line that leaving was some sort of magic quick-fix solution.
I don't think I used words such as you have and this might say rather more about the chip on your shoulder than any chip on mine. But to clear things up: I unreservedly apologise to the good folk of Stoke for comparing them with our very own Pasta,
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Out of interest, you agreed, 'as a remainer', that Brexit would be hugely damaging to the British economy, British business and the British people. So why are you so determined to see the majority of people you left behind in Britain when you emigrated f***ed over.
It just seems a little strange to me
The decision is made. Make the most of what is available. I have no doubt that being within the EU would be a better long term choice but the decision is made, get on with it.
- Jul 10, 2003
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I understand the decision has been made and am 'getting on with it' by making sure that the Government deliver what they promised they would in their election campaign, (No paperwork on the Irish Sea Border, for instance), and ensuring myself and my family are protected against any negative impact of Brexit.
But why are you celebrating the fact that, by your own admission, the majority of the British people (and the poorest at that) will suffer ? That's what I am struggling to understand
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I understand the decision has been made and am 'getting on with it' by making sure that the Government deliver what they promised they would in their election campaign, (No paperwork on the Irish Sea Border, for instance), and ensuring myself and my family are protected against any negative impact of Brexit.
But why are you celebrating the fact that, by your own admission, the majority of the British people (and the poorest at that) will suffer ? That's what I am struggling to understand
At no point have I celebrated. My emotive response to Brexit has remained constant, it is a mistake. Do I think that leaving is the right thing to do right now? Yes. It is both democratic and a finale. Then the UK can move on, if the fxxkwits stop whining.