[Politics] Brexit

[Sussex Nomad]

... and around we go. Even if all Leavers agreed it would only be the will of 52% of the voters in 2016 and not the cliched 'will of the people'; but not all Leavers want the same outcome, further dividing the 'winning lobby'.
Some Leave advocates will not accept no deal, others will accept nothing else.
There is no majority for anything. You view is as valid as anyone else's .... there just aren't enough people who agree with you to put it into practice - any more than there are enough people who agree with me that the leave options are all really bad and we need to forget it.......

Lever, you write like a thoroughly decent person and I respect you, however, we were given a choice, we took the choice and the consequences thereafter are totally down to the decision we made three years ago, not for anything else.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Lever, we had a vote, it was straightforward, it was yes or no, it really was that simple.

And the official leave campaign said we would leave with a deal. It really was that simple

 

[Lever]

Lever, you write like a thoroughly decent person and I respect you, however, we were given a choice, we took the choice and the consequences thereafter are totally down to the decision we made three years ago, not for anything else.

Thank you for politeness Sussex Nomad.
The consequences are indeed down to that decision. But what exactly (in practice) was that decision...... who knows?

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Thank you for politeness Sussex Nomad.
The consequences are indeed down to that decision. But what exactly (in practice) was that decision...... who knows?

The decision HAS TO BE that of the referendum and nothing else.

 

[birthofanorange]

And the official leave campaign said we would leave with a deal. It really was that simple

Pointless to erm...point that out, as he just doesn't care that other Leave voters may have voted with that in mind.
It's a crusade to him.

 

[Lever]

Ha ha ha the Kemptown **** and Lucas doing the best for us Ha ha ha ha cough ha ha ha ha ha
Regards
DF

You seem to be caught up in your own verbosity again Dim Fellow. Reflect a bit longer before posting and you will be more coherent.... you can do it if you try!

 

[Motogull]

May I interrupt with a question?

On the basis that a law designed to stop a no-deal Brexit on 31 October has been passed, if there is neither an acceptable deal nor a request for more time, could the EU say something like 'we can't permit a no-deal as that would be an invalid default position due to illegality'?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Thank you for politeness Sussex Nomad.
The consequences are indeed down to that decision. But what exactly (in practice) was that decision...... who knows?

Well, as you have clearly pointed out, there is no way of actually knowing what the will of the people was.

I'm aware of Leave posters on NSC who definitely wanted a deal and didn't want no deal, posters who wanted no deal but definitely didn't want a deal, Ones who weren't bothered either way and ones who had preferences based on the details of what the deal was and what preparation had been done for 'no deal'.

But we definitely have to implement the results of the referendum and what they voted for

If only there was a practical way to find out exactly what the will of the people is

 

[Sussex Nomad]

May I interrupt with a question?

On the basis that a law designed to stop a no-deal Brexit on 31 October has been passed, if there is neither an acceptable deal nor a request for more time, could the EU say something like 'we can't permit a no-deal as that would be an invalid default position due to illegality'?

I would love the EU to tell us to do one. All my worlds would come together in one motion. But they can't leave us, we are to important to them.

 

[Lever]

The decision HAS TO BE that of the referendum and nothing else.

With respect, I will close this particular debate by saying the referendum edict was vague but by definition its execution will be precise and will not represent the will of the majority............ and the nation will remain divided.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

You seem to be caught up in your own verbosity again Dim Fellow. Reflect a bit longer before posting and you will be more coherent.... you can do it if you try!

You've got some front calling people dim after those two pathetic characters performance last night ,utter disgrace both of them
regards
DF

 

[Sussex Nomad]

With respect, I will close this particular debate by saying the referendum edict was vague but by definition its execution will be precise and will not represent the will of the majority............ and the nation will remain divided.

I think you will find you are wrong and if we had another vote we would still vote out, but I am not an advocate of re-running a referendum purely to satisfy the minority.

 

[birthofanorange]

You've got some front calling people dim after those two pathetic characters performance last night ,utter disgrace both of them
regards
DF

Did you go to The Krankies tribute night?

Dipshit Fail

 

[beorhthelm]

May I interrupt with a question?

On the basis that a law designed to stop a no-deal Brexit on 31 October has been passed, if there is neither an acceptable deal nor a request for more time, could the EU say something like 'we can't permit a no-deal as that would be an invalid default position due to illegality'?

the default position, if EU do nothing is we legally leave the EU. there's no mechanism for them to unilaterally extend, and without action our side it would be pointless.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Pointless to erm...point that out, as he just doesn't care that other Leave voters may have voted with that in mind.
It's a crusade to him.

It has been pointed out by others and myself many times. But leavers views on what they voted for, such as immigration, once the major issue, have changed according to what can actually be delivered in reality. Many on here suddenly started to claim that immigration wasn't an issue for them.

 

[WATFORD zero]

The decision HAS TO BE that of the referendum and nothing else.

It's quite simple

I'm aware of Leave posters on NSC who definitely wanted a deal and didn't want no deal, posters who wanted no deal but definitely didn't want a deal, Ones who weren't bothered either way and ones who had preferences based on the details of what the deal was and what preparation had been done for 'no deal'.

So how do we implement the results of the referendum and do what the majority voted for ?

 

[birthofanorange]

I think you will find you are wrong and if we had another vote we would still vote out, but I am not an advocate of re-running a referendum purely to satisfy the minority.

No, you're an advocate of ignoring the current swell of feeling against a No Deal, which you apparently didn't vote for anyway.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

I think you will find you are wrong and if we had another vote we would still vote out, but I am not an advocate of re-running a referendum purely to satisfy the minority.

Corbyn is running scared of an Election, something he has called for for three years and when given the opportunity he blocks it. Spineless arse.

 

[clapham_gull]

I'm beginning to think that we will be out soon with the original NI only backstop deal with the Tories dropping the Unionists.

Many in Labour will probably vote for it.

Just goes to show how utterly utterly rubbish the current Tory party are.

It was there all along and they've just spent the last few years arguing with each other whilst blaming everyone else.

 

[Lever]

You've got some front calling people dim after those two pathetic characters performance last night ,utter disgrace both of them
regards
DF

Sorry Dreary Fellow
I'm a bit busy at the moment; can I ignore your stupid comment later?