[Politics] Brexit

[theonlymikey]

Read this today, not my 'quote' but it made me smile.




Andrew Smith 7 Aug 2019 8:49PM


Just a thought, but how about Grieve & Co cease their endless subversive attempts at stopping Brexit at any cost, accept that the largest democratic vote in UK history should be not just "respected" but implemented in accordance with UK law that they themselves put into effect, and then by all means throw themselves into developing a new campaign to join the EU following our exit, as is their right.

I look forward to viewing the overwhelmingly positive and constructive arguments they will set forward for joining a moribund institution we just spent 3 years trying to leave. Without Project Fear, what is left for them?

Precisely why they are fighting tooth and nail to prevent a perfectly viable WTO exit.

The leave campaign WAS project fear. The biggest con of all was convincing the public remainers were project fear.

You really think leave would have won if not for the fear of turkish immigrants, ever closer union, giving more sovereignty away and EU armies they told us to be so so afraid about.

Wake up it's embarassing.



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[Baldseagull]

In which case you've chosen to not read then or were blinkered when reading them. Just for you, as you're a reasonable poster, I'll give you one - leaving CAP.

Please expand on how that is a benefit to the UK?
I will grant you that there are issues around who receives subsidy and for what, but if UK farmers do not receive subsidy, whilst EU farmers do, it is likely to damage UK agriculture, if we also go zero tariff for all, then that is the end for UK farming, at least for some time. If the phrase taking back control gave you a little tingle in the balls, utterly dependent on food imports should concern you, it means we will be reliant on other countries (in the EU mostly) for our basic survival.

 

[Baldseagull]

Now people, I am off to play poker. Night, night!

7,2 off suit is a really good hand, if you just believe in it enough.

 

[Mental Lental]

Tell us something we didn't know

Researchers gave 11,225 volunteers psychological tests before the referendum and asked how they intended to vote. Results suggest that leavers tended to be less numerate, more impulsive and more prone to accept the unsupported claims of authoritarian figures.

“Compared with remain voters, leave voters displayed significantly lower levels of numeracy and appeared more reliant on impulsive thinking,” said the researchers. The study was commissioned by Britain’s Online Privacy Foundation and analysed by scientists at Missouri University.


But fret not. Remainers are more neurotic and risk adverse. Who knew!!


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-voters-are-less-bright-than-remainers-7nk8s3272

Not sure as to the viability of the study mentioned in this article. However, it pushes all my Confirmation Bias buttons so I'm just gonna take it as being 100% proof that most Leave voters are thick as shit.

I think there are about THREE on here that can string a coherent sentence together. Here are the ones that I personally have clocked as probably having the types of childhoods where calling the fire brigade because they got their head stuck in the railings was a common occurrence......

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

In which case you've chosen to not read then or were blinkered when reading them. Just for you, as you're a reasonable poster, I'll give you one - leaving CAP.

This is fair enough. As one of the more enthusiastic Remainers, I'm not blind to the limitations and 'costs' of CAP. Indeed if (as Gove has indicated) leaving the EU meant that we were more able to follow a Green agricultural agenda then I'd 'warm' to it.


To come clean, for me Brexit is a second order issue, by which I mean that it is not anywhere near as important as global warming. The logic of my position is that if it could be established that (somehow) Brexit as a proposition could be net environmentally favourable then I'd even be a (reluctant) full-fat Brexiteer.

Indeed, if we take the proposition that we'll all be worse off (well, not the likes Jacob Rees Mogg and his offshore funds) in that Brexit will reduce economic growth (AKA make us poorer) and thereby reduce consumption then perhaps that alone could do the do the trick as a kind of unintended consequence.

But of course this is simplistic and crude. So we'd need to at least start thinking about whether the EU is in very broad terms a force for 'environmental good'. Clearly the historic over-production of the CAP set-up means it starts with a rather big cross rather than a tick. But generally (ask Caroline Lucas) the EU is one of the good guys. And the Brexit campaign is hardly packed with good guys in terms of regulation (including the arch climate change denier Nigel Lawson). There's no reason to believe that a post-Brexit Britain will be greener than a Britain still in the EU. But, as ever, I'm happy to hear the counter-evidence.


So - notwithstanding the CAP (which could be reformed) - I remain a Remainer. And while we are on the subject of global warming, I believe it was Westdene in a previous post who identified himself as someone who believes that man-made factors are only part of the explanation for this. But that's another argument, and I did start by saying a fair point (not for the first time) so I'll leave it there.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Why do you hate the UK and the NHS?
This is the most unpatriotic thing ever said on this thread. And by a Brexiteer
It tolls ever louder for your benefits

It's alright - If the Pretty pink prophet of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon found himself living in The United Kingdom of Little England and Wales with a privatised NHS and no health insurance - he can just blame it on immigrants.

 

[pb21]

I believe that Governments should talk and listen to large corporations, as they do in most of the world. If a policy that the commission agrees with has been put forward as a detailed idea from the industrialists, I can't see the point in rewriting it to put it to the Council and Parliament, though I think they should be honest and say it is a proposal from the ERT.
I share the concerns though about how much influence they have, as I do in the UK but with the added issue of the media influencing a far wider range of policy.
Simply saying "there is a problem with this aspect of the EU, therefore we should not have any part in it" makes no sense to me, it has to be looked at as a whole and the areas where there are problems should be worked on, likewise in our UK Government.
The question is, does Brexit in any form reduce or eliminate the power of big business to unduly influence our Governance, either here in the UK or in the remaining EU states? If you can answer that with a yes and explain how, I would accept that as a benefit of Brexit.

This is the thing isn’t it.

No one thinks the EU is perfect, but throwing the baby out with the bathwater, whilst arguably providing a benefit of getting rid of dirty water, also leaves you with a dead baby.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This is the thing isn’t it.

No one thinks the EU is perfect, but throwing the baby out with the bathwater, whilst arguably providing a benefit of getting rid of dirty water, also leaves you with a dead baby.

Even the right wing Marie Le Pen has changed her stance on the EU, now preferring to win votes to 'reform from within'.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Not sure as to the viability of the study mentioned in this article. However, it pushes all my Confirmation Bias buttons so I'm just gonna take it as being 100% proof that most Leave voters are thick as shit.

I think there are about THREE on here that can string a coherent sentence together. Here are the ones that I personally have clocked as probably having the types of childhoods where calling the fire brigade because they got their head stuck in the railings was a common occurrence......

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Only about another 17,410,687 thicko's to identify then.
Good luck when you get to the University Dons, Scientists, Historians, Researchers, Surgeons, Doctors, Lawyers, Politicians, Entrepreneurs, millions of business owners and many, many others who voted Leave. Unlike, myself, who didn't vote Leave but have been labelled thick by yourself, simply for having the temerity ( means ' nerve ' or ' rashness ' ) to question the Remain position as well as the Leave position. The problem with people like me is that I am trying to look at both sides of the argument and I have sympathy on both sides. It was a very difficult decision for me but I chose, what I thought at the time, was the safer option.
The last three years have proved to me that I was wrong, that there is no possible chance of any reform and that the EU is fully committed to a path of self-destruction. This, of course, is unthinkable to many on here, who can only see one way ahead and those blinkers are never coming off. Time will tell who is right and who is wrong. In the meantime, I will leave you to your post graduate degree course in pyscho-analysis and humanism and I will return to my colouring book.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Only about another 17,410,687 thicko's to identify then.
Good luck when you get to the University Dons, Scientists, Historians, Researchers, Surgeons, Doctors, Lawyers, Politicians, Entrepreneurs, millions of business owners and many, many others who voted Leave. Unlike, myself, who didn't vote Leave but have been labelled thick by yourself, simply for having the temerity ( means ' nerve ' or ' rashness ' ) to question the Remain position as well as the Leave position. The problem with people like me is that I am trying to look at both sides of the argument and I have sympathy on both sides. It was a very difficult decision for me but I chose, what I thought at the time, was the safer option.
The last three years have proved to me that I was wrong, that there is no possible chance of any reform and that the EU is fully committed to a path of self-destruction. This, of course, is unthinkable to many on here, who can only see one way ahead and those blinkers are never coming off. Time will tell who is right and who is wrong. In the meantime, I will leave you to your post graduate degree course in pyscho-analysis and humanism and I will return to my colouring book.

I'm sure if you concentrate REALLY hard, you'll be able to keep inside the lines (mostly)

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Only about another 17,410,687 thicko's to identify then.
Good luck when you get to the University Dons, Scientists, Historians, Researchers, Surgeons, Doctors, Lawyers, Politicians, Entrepreneurs, millions of business owners and many, many others who voted Leave. Unlike, myself, who didn't vote Leave but have been labelled thick by yourself, simply for having the temerity ( means ' nerve ' or ' rashness ' ) to question the Remain position as well as the Leave position. The problem with people like me is that I am trying to look at both sides of the argument and I have sympathy on both sides. It was a very difficult decision for me but I chose, what I thought at the time, was the safer option.
The last three years have proved to me that I was wrong, that there is no possible chance of any reform and that the EU is fully committed to a path of self-destruction. This, of course, is unthinkable to many on here, who can only see one way ahead and those blinkers are never coming off. Time will tell who is right and who is wrong. In the meantime, I will leave you to your post graduate degree course in pyscho-analysis and humanism and I will return to my colouring book.

Ouch! On the 'university dons' one, I don't think you'd find many. Sussex Uni had a sort of mock poll before the 2016 Referendum and I think it was about 90% to remain. But I digress...……..


I'm intrigued that you switched from Remain to Leave seemingly on the basis of the EU's actions in the last 3 years. I wonder what specifically inclined you in this direction? Was it the way in which they conducted the Brexit negotiations? Or the something else? What are the factors that have arisen the last 3 years that make the 'self-destruction' of the EU more likely? Having weathered the storm of the global meltdown from 2008, I find the timing a bit odd as this is what would have most likely have lead to the implosion of the EU.

What makes your position just a bit more hard to fathom (for me) is that meanwhile the Brexit process is looking far more difficult and problematic (I think just about everyone accepts that, surely?) than it did 3 years ago. So something (for you) fairly dramatic must have happened to lead you to this position.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Why do you hate the UK and the NHS?
This is the most unpatriotic thing ever said on this thread. And by a Brexiteer
It tolls ever louder for your benefits

I'd give up if were you
Regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I'm sure if you concentrate REALLY hard, you'll be able to keep inside the lines (mostly)

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Your arrogance goes before you, you're a bigger bell end than I'd imagined
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

The leave campaign WAS project fear. The biggest con of all was convincing the public remainers were project fear.

You really think leave would have won if not for the fear of turkish immigrants, ever closer union, giving more sovereignty away and EU armies they told us to be so so afraid about.

Wake up it's embarassing.



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People wanted to leave before the leave campaign was up and running , that's why Dave offered the referendum , could you tell us the result again ?
regards
DR

 

[theonlymikey]

Your arrogance goes before you, you're a bigger bell end than I'd imagined
regards
DR

I'd like to apologise on behalf of Watford Zero.

He wasn't aware that only Brexiters were allowed to be arrogant:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...johnson-vote-leave-nigel-farage-a9045766.html

Watford Zero. You should be ashamed.

 

[GT49er]

Only about another 17,410,687 thicko's to identify then.
Good luck when you get to the University Dons, Scientists, Historians, Researchers, Surgeons, Doctors, Lawyers, Politicians, Entrepreneurs, millions of business owners and many, many others who voted Leave. Unlike, myself, who didn't vote Leave but have been labelled thick by yourself, simply for having the temerity ( means ' nerve ' or ' rashness ' ) to question the Remain position as well as the Leave position. The problem with people like me is that I am trying to look at both sides of the argument and I have sympathy on both sides. It was a very difficult decision for me but I chose, what I thought at the time, was the safer option.
The last three years have proved to me that I was wrong, that there is no possible chance of any reform and that the EU is fully committed to a path of self-destruction. This, of course, is unthinkable to many on here, who can only see one way ahead and those blinkers are never coming off. Time will tell who is right and who is wrong. In the meantime, I will leave you to your post graduate degree course in pyscho-analysis and humanism and I will return to my colouring book.

Excellent post. Abusive posts deriding all the intelligent people who voted to leave as thick (and often racist too) do nothing to advance the remain cause. I know some intelligent people who voted to remain; I disagree with them, but I don't call them thick - because they aren't.
Statistically of course, out of any group of 15 million-ish voters, some will be less intelligent Thick, if you prefer to use derogatory terminology (I don't). Therefore it is inevitable that while some remain voters are intelligent people, others - how shall we say? - are less so. Some people (no names, no pack-drill) confirm this by their (often abusive) presence in this thread.

 

[A1X]

could you tell us the result again ?

Happily. A small majority of people voted in favour of the vision of Leave as put forward by the official Leave campaign Vote Leave. On page 11 of their official document this included this line;

Taking back control is a careful change, not a sudden
stop - we will negotiate the terms of a new deal before
we start any legal process to leave

 

[theonlymikey]

People wanted to leave before the leave campaign was up and running , that's why Dave offered the referendum , could you tell us the result again ?
regards
DR

FACTUALLY – Leave campaign won.

46,501,241 - total electorate at the time.
33,551,983 - people who voted.

1.3% of the total electorate at the time swung the vote in favour of leave. 634,751 people out of 46,501,241 people.

1.9% of people of the voting public swung the vote in favour of leave. 634,751 out of 33,551,983 people.

Yougov – 25% of people consider No Deal as a positive outcome :

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic.../04/what-do-public-think-about-no-deal-brexit

Despite this – No deal will be forced on 100% of us.

So although leave campaign won, in reality, nobody wins.

 

[jaghebby]

I really would like to ask a very simple question to all you ardent Brexiteers. I have asked this question many many times on Facebook and only had one reply! The question is how will Brexit improve the every day lives of ordinary people? The only leaver to reply after asking the question maybe 30 or so times is that it won't! Which sort of begs the question why are we doing this. If it isn't going to improve the every day lives of ordinary people what is the point? Would be really nice if some of you brexiteers could enlighten me on how ordinary peoples every day lives will be improved.