[Politics] Brexit

[Bakero]

Whoosh?
How come.

My response takes note that PPF is either:
A) An undercover remainer who has been on the wind up all this time (very unlikely )

Or

B) When confronted with growing evidence of the impact of No deal has resorted to ridiculous statements.






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There are 2 PPFs

 

[The Clamp]

Whoosh?
How come.

My response takes note that PPF is either:
A) An undercover remainer who has been on the wind up all this time (very unlikely )

Or

B) When confronted with growing evidence of the impact of No deal has resorted to ridiculous statements.






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Pretty pink fairy, formerly Das Reich (google it) is a fascist, racist prick who should have been banned years ago but for some reason the mods have a jelly spine on this matter. Reading GB’s ridiculous excuses for doing nothing was frankly embarrassing.

Pretty Pink fairy is an equally annoying prick but is a spoof of Ppf.

They’re both deeply unfunny cretins.

 

[The Upper Library]

There are 2 PPFs

Now I am really confused!!

A bit like Brexit then - there is more than one of them[emoji23][emoji23]


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[ManOfSussex]

Now I am really confused!!

A bit like Brexit then - there is more than one of them[emoji23][emoji23]


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Pretty pink fairy - Is the original.
Pretty Plnk Fairy - Is the in-house parody.

If you're in any doubt, just put the original on ignore, you won't be missing much.

 

[Simster]

Pretty pink fairy, formerly Das Reich (google it) is a fascist, racist prick who should have been banned years ago but for some reason the mods have a jelly spine on this matter. Reading GB’s ridiculous excuses for doing nothing was frankly embarrassing.

Pretty Pink fairy is an equally annoying prick but is a spoof of Ppf.

They’re both deeply unfunny cretins.

Indeed. The original is undoubtedly one of the board's biggest simpletons. Unsurprisingly, he's a moronic gloating Brexiteer with the inability to construct anything coherent or interesting. Lots of them (but not all) possess no ability to engage in rational debate, preferring instead to limit themselves to pointless one-liners, and are never willing to explain themselves (they always pretend they've done so hundreds of times before). bashlsdir and melia's shoes are the worst exponents of this IMO - but at least they're not gloating and rude with it.

Whereas El Pres's spoof account is simply boring and tedious and doesn't work because too often it is too close to the original to look like a spoof rather than clearly lampooning the original. I wish he'd stop posting, it is shite.

 

[A1X]

There are some very strange polls right now: earlier this week, YouGov had one with BP in the lead, LDs second, with Cons in 4th place. Today, MORI has a poll with Tories in the lead, Lab second and BP in 4th place with 12% (almost half of the YG polls)

Either people are changing votes quicker than they're changing overcoats (© The Clash), or there's some strange sampling going on

I think there are two main issues with the polls at the moment;

1. Brexit Party being new means there's no core vote / base support to extrapolate from, which is why their polling varies so wildly.
2. On the Remain side the exact split between Lib Dem / Green and Lib Dem / Labour isn't clear, so the boundaries keep moving about.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Whoosh?
How come.

My response takes note that PPF is either:
A) An undercover remainer who has been on the wind up all this time (very unlikely )

Or

B) When confronted with growing evidence of the impact of No deal has resorted to ridiculous statements.






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Unfortunately for PPF (the spoof), no matter how much he tries to parody Ppf (the racist, unemployable, nazi worshipping moron) it is extremely difficult to tell one from the other, on account of Ppf always managing to be even more stupid than any normal person could conceive.

The only way to be sure is by checking the poster name for capitals.

 

[A1X]

Unfortunately for PPF (the spoof), no matter how much he tries to parody Ppf (the racist, unemployable, nazi worshipping moron) it is extremely difficult to tell one from the other, on account of Ppf always managing to be even more stupid than any normal person could conceive.

The only way to be sure is by checking the poster name for capitals.

Poe's Law in action

 

[Mellotron]

Very decent chance this thread will get to 100,000 posts and we will still be in the EU. Mental.

 

[A1X]

[TWEET]1144265777345978368[/TWEET]

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Very decent chance this thread will get to 100,000 posts and we will still be in the EU. Mental.

And a very decent chance that not one poster has changed his mind in that time!

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Biggest trade deal ever?

Oh well, that's another four countries we're tearing up trade deals with - the EU has just signed a huge deal with the Mercosur bloc. Who needs Brazil and Argentina anyway?

 

[Pretty Plnk Fairy]

Biggest trade deal ever?

Oh well, that's another four countries we're tearing up trade deals with - the EU has just signed a huge deal with the Mercosur bloc. Who needs Brazil and Argentina anyway?

Typical remoniac why would we want too trade with countries like these from south africa anyway

Regards
DR

 

[Lever]

Biggest trade deal ever?

Oh well, that's another four countries we're tearing up trade deals with - the EU has just signed a huge deal with the Mercosur bloc. Who needs Brazil and Argentina anyway?

We are likely to see a lot of this standing on the sidelines while the EU deals come in.........

 

[golddene]

Wasting your time. [MENTION=22389]bashlsdir[/MENTION] has literally no interest in reason or reality.

Or any real understanding either Hans, that goes for the fairy too !

 

[Mo Gosfield]

And a very decent chance that not one poster has changed his mind in that time!

Very few people anywhere will have changed their minds.
You cannot bridge the divide between globalism and nationalism. You cannot bridge the divide between those that see themselves primarily as European and those that see themselves primarily as English/British. You cannot bridge a divide between a southern based metropolitan liberal elite, enjoying a comfortable middle class lifestyle and a whole swathe of working class/lower middle class who struggle and feel disenfranchised. There are gulfs and chasms that cannot be crossed.
You can't change the difference in generational attitude. You cannot change what has been taught in schools. The EU is not a harmonising influence. It divides opinion. Anti-establishment is popular. Public figures are deemed untrustworthy. There are two moods fighting each other. The mood for change and the mood for more of the same. A step into the unfamiliar and unknown or the comfort blanket of before. Some feel the risk of leaving is worth taking, others disagree.
There is no middle ground. Its in or out.

 

[pb21]

Very few people anywhere will have changed their minds.

Or, more fundamentally, the divide between people who are comfortable with an increasing liberal society and those that are uncomfortable with that, and prefer a more socially conservative society.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Very few people anywhere will have changed their minds.
You cannot bridge the divide between globalism and nationalism. You cannot bridge the divide between those that see themselves primarily as European and those that see themselves primarily as English/British. You cannot bridge a divide between a southern based metropolitan liberal elite, enjoying a comfortable middle class lifestyle and a whole swathe of working class/lower middle class who struggle and feel disenfranchised. There are gulfs and chasms that cannot be crossed.
You can't change the difference in generational attitude. You cannot change what has been taught in schools. The EU is not a harmonising influence. It divides opinion. Anti-establishment is popular. Public figures are deemed untrustworthy. There are two moods fighting each other. The mood for change and the mood for more of the same. A step into the unfamiliar and unknown or the comfort blanket of before. Some feel the risk of leaving is worth taking, others disagree.
There is no middle ground. Its in or out.

The 'mood for change' and a 'step into the unknown' doesn't really square with the studies that have identified Leave voters as being both older and more socially conservative in their values than Remainers.

 

[mikeyjh]

And a very decent chance that not one poster has changed his mind in that time!

Well, I genuinely would struggle to see how someone who voted to remain would have seen something that fundamentally changed their minds and for those who voted to leave? Well, people have got poorer, the knock on effects of austerity rumble on and the media continue to blame the EU and/or immigrants for all their woes, plus ca change.

 

[Baldseagull]

Very few people anywhere will have changed their minds.
You cannot bridge the divide between globalism and nationalism. You cannot bridge the divide between those that see themselves primarily as European and those that see themselves primarily as English/British. You cannot bridge a divide between a southern based metropolitan liberal elite, enjoying a comfortable middle class lifestyle and a whole swathe of working class/lower middle class who struggle and feel disenfranchised. There are gulfs and chasms that cannot be crossed.
You can't change the difference in generational attitude. You cannot change what has been taught in schools. The EU is not a harmonising influence. It divides opinion. Anti-establishment is popular. Public figures are deemed untrustworthy. There are two moods fighting each other. The mood for change and the mood for more of the same. A step into the unfamiliar and unknown or the comfort blanket of before. Some feel the risk of leaving is worth taking, others disagree.
There is no middle ground. Its in or out.

I see myself mostly as English, but I am also British and European. I will still be if we leave the EU, the EU has little to do with my identity. I do not fear change, I would just like that change to be a change for the better, and not a regression. It always seems to me that leavers end up saying they fear what the EU will become (change), once you have pointed out that all the things they think the EU is, are not true.

Using the phrase metropolitan liberal elite, makes you look like someone who has been indoctrinated, rather than someone who has come to a realisation, it does not help us get to an understanding of each others viewpoint. Clearly 48% of the country are not a Southern based, metropolitan, liberal, elite. How does that model fit with the ref result in Scotland? In Northern Ireland?
Please don't think that voting to Leave was anti establishment, I know Farage says it, and people may have felt that was what they were doing, but Farage is talking bollocks. Voting to leave an organisation that has brought about change and is less than 3 decades old, to restore some notional sovereignty to the old Etonians that have been running our country since the 1700's, is not anti establishment.

There is a middle ground, and if we leave it will be somewhere on that middle ground.