[Politics] Brexit

[The Merry Prankster]

Who does someone in favour of Brexit but unable to get into bed with racists , people who want to abolish the NHS, those who would tear up workers rights, homophobes, kiddie porn apologists and Ann Widdecombe vote for?

 

[Two Professors]

Why would you ask that? Just asking

Why would you ask me if I'm a racist?Just asking

 

[Lever]

Your right.

English and grammar are my weak points and an easy target to pick on, would you mock a physically handicapped person

I have other great qualities like creativity, logical reasoning, problem solving and foresight and amazing determination.

Some other people that belong In the same family are Branson, Musk, Einstein and Steve Jobs.

I can take it as i have had this grammar bullying for years, but there are many that won't so think first before you pick on a easy target to make you feel so good.

I am not passing judgment on you or your grammatical skills Mouldy Boots; that would be totally out of order.

I asked you for clarification, that's all. I am more focused on what I consider to be weak arguments like as a nation we just have to 'believe in Britain' for all to be okay. It's a simplistic soundbite signifying nothing... and of course the equally facile follow up is that anyone who scrutinises, criticises or analyses this slogan is being unpatriotic and putting this great country of ours down.

I try to distinguish between people and opinions. I don't consider anyone on here to be a 'tosspot' - but I would certainly claim that there are some 'tosspot' political views expressed on this thread.

 

[Lever]

Why would you ask me if I'm a racist?Just asking

Because you label whole nations and communities as 'loathsome'. Are you a racist 2p?

 

[CHAPPERS]

Who does someone in favour of Brexit but unable to get into bed with racists , people who want to abolish the NHS, those who would tear up workers rights, homophobes, kiddie porn apologists and Ann Widdecombe vote for?

The Labour Party

 

[CHAPPERS]

Theresa May can't even be bothered to write a new speech for the European elections, by the look of it. Sure;y she could have come up with something

The Conservative party didn’t want to be fighting these. We wanted to be out of the European Union.

Indeed if parliament had backed our Brexit deal we could already have left the EU, but we’re a national party, we fight national elections.

And next Thursday I want people to vote Conservative because it’s only the Conservatives who can deliver Brexit and take this country forward into a brighter future.

No-one else can get the job done. Labour, the Lib Dems and SNP have voted against delivering Brexit again and again.

Nigel Farage can’t deliver Brexit: every few years he pops up, he shouts from the sidelines, he doesn’t work constructively in the national interest.

So if you want a party that works in the national interest, vote Conservative. To vote for a party that can deliver Brexit, vote Conservative. To vote for a party that will take this country forward to a brighter future, vote Conservative.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

But it was when it became clear that the choice for Brexit was Customs Union or 'No deal' that you started to become abusive. When asked you insisted that you wanted 'No deal' even though you had earlier said the this was just 'a negotiating position' and not an end game.

I think that it was the realisation that your 'No deal' solution meant a Hard Border in Norther Ireland, that started your descent into just another Ppf, 2 profs, type abuser. I don't think it helped when you suggested that the solution was to give NI back to Ireland showed that you had no idea of Irish History whatsoever.

You see, you could use this opportunity, to say what you think would be a viable alternative to this scenario, but sadly, I don't think you will

Sigh ..... as peviously pointed out you're making it a binary choice - no deal or customs union. You're also suggesting I haven't already suggested my peferred option.

So just one last time, just for you, here's my choices in order of preference :

1. A united Ireland ( solves the border issue ) but is never going to happen
2. A good deal including no border in Ireland but without a customs union
3. No Deal
4. May's deal

It really is uttery unbelievable that a country can't leave a political union.

 

[Two Professors]

Who does someone in favour of Brexit but unable to get into bed with racists , people who want to abolish the NHS, those who would tear up workers rights, homophobes, kiddie porn apologists and Ann Widdecombe vote for?

Quite a broad range of candidates available:



Perhaps Independent might be worth trying?

 

[A1X]

It really is uttery unbelievable that a country can't leave a political union.

The UK can easily leave the political union. Since the 29th March it can leave any time it wants. The issue is that there are very few ways of doing it without massively ****ing everything up and making yourself an international pariah which our politicians (and indeed members of the public) seem to find palatable. Even in your own post you suggest option #2, which is pure unicorn. You can have one or the other, not both.

 

[Two Professors]

Because you label whole nations and communities as 'loathsome'. Are you a racist 2p?

Perhaps you should try posting on a site that is less taxing to your rather feeble knowledge of English.I'm sure there are ex-pat online communities that would welcome even you.I'm sure you aren't really stupid when you post in your native tongue.

 

[Two Professors]

The UK can easily leave the political union. Since the 29th March it can leave any time it wants. The issue is that there are very few ways of doing it without massively ****ing everything up and making yourself an international pariah which our politicians (and indeed members of the public) seem to find palatable. Even in your own post you suggest option #2, which is pure unicorn. You can have one or the other, not both.

Yet again,you fail to understand how we do not need to put up a border with our former territory.The EU might require one in the Republic,but that's down to them.Once we are fully out,we can enter into transit arrangements on a bi-lateral basis.If the EU refuse to accept Irish exports under customs seal from our country is up to them.

 

[A1X]

Yet again,you fail to understand how we do not need to put up a border with our former territory.The EU might require one in the Republic,but that's down to them.Once we are fully out,we can enter into transit arrangements on a bi-lateral basis.If the EU refuse to accept Irish exports under customs seal from our country is up to them.

Once again we see a fundamental misunderstanding by a Brexiter of how the WTO they so cherish works.

If the UK leaves an open border with Ireland it also needs to leave an open border with the rest of the world.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Quite a broad range of candidates available:

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Perhaps Independent might be worth trying?

Alexandra Phillips is an interesting choice - the B&H councillor that fvcked off the moment she was elected !

 

[Two Professors]

Once again we see a fundamental misunderstanding by a Brexiter of how the WTO they so cherish works.

If the UK leaves an open border with Ireland it also needs to leave an open border with the rest of the world.

Don't be so stupid.The GFA says 'open border',so we are following the Treaty.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

The UK can easily leave the political union. Since the 29th March it can leave any time it wants. The issue is that there are very few ways of doing it without massively ****ing everything up and making yourself an international pariah which our politicians (and indeed members of the public) seem to find palatable. Even in your own post you suggest option #2, which is pure unicorn. You can have one or the other, not both.

who's been stopping us .oh yes REMAINERS being undemocratic
regards
DR

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yet again,you fail to understand how we do not need to put up a border with our former territory.The EU might require one in the Republic,but that's down to them.Once we are fully out,we can enter into transit arrangements on a bi-lateral basis.If the EU refuse to accept Irish exports under customs seal from our country is up to them.

When you not in the Land Of Make Believe....you’re obviously in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

When you not in the Land Of Make Believe....you’re obviously in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

says someone living in Germany
regards
DR

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Don't be so stupid.The GFA says 'open border',so we are following the Treaty.

The GFA is itself a bi-lateral arrangement between two nations. The WTO is a framework for multi-national trade and - in simple terms - any such bi-lateral arrangement would fall foul of the 'most favoured nation' precept of the WTO. So it wouldn't - couldn't - work. I believe that the former head of the WTO - Pascal Lamy - has stated this very clearly.
We - the UK - might (or might not) be able to extricate ourselves form the EU on the basis of our political preferences, but we can't re-draw the rule-book of international trade.
This position, that we can somehow flout rules, is a bit of a characteristic of the more gung-ho Brexiteer vision. I'm not sure we are presenting ourselves as particularly credible trading partners in a post-Brexit environment (Boris as PM?).

This issue - together with the related super-optimism about the trade deals we can set up outside of the EU - has always been one of the weaker selling points of Brexit. TBH, no-one really thought it through.

 

[Lever]

Perhaps you should try posting on a site that is less taxing to your rather feeble knowledge of English.I'm sure there are ex-pat online communities that would welcome even you.I'm sure you aren't really stupid when you post in your native tongue.

Reduced to more hate comments 2p?
No answer to the question 'are you a racist?'
By making no response, I think you have given us all a strong hint.
Your feeble little slights are noted.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Sigh ..... as peviously pointed out you're making it a binary choice - no deal or customs union. You're also suggesting I haven't already suggested my peferred option.

So just one last time, just for you, here's my choices in order of preference :

1. A united Ireland ( solves the border issue ) but is never going to happen
2. A good deal including no border in Ireland but without a customs union
3. No Deal
4. May's deal

It really is uttery unbelievable that a country can't leave a political union.

Sigh .... One last time

1. A United Ireland is, as you point out, not going to happen.
2. A good deal including no border in Ireland but without a customs union. This is the 'ideal solution' that you were sold at the referendum, but has proven to be impossible to negotiate, deliver or even define. (Note: I have avoided the word 'fantasy').
3. No deal. This is possible but will take 10s of Billions of pounds in infrastructure costs, will take several years to implement and will entail putting a Border and customs between Northern Ireland and Ireland. Maybe if we had begun building customs posts, lorry parks, IT infrastructure, designing and building systems and recruiting and training staff straight after the referendum maybe we could be operationally ready by now, 3 years later (completely ignoring any economic or political impact). Personally, I think it would have taken longer than 3 years, but who knows ?
4. May's deal. (Don't forget, this doesn't do away with the seemingly unsolvable border issue, it simply defaults to Customs Union and renames it 'the backstop'). This doesn't seem to satisfy the Leave voters according to the most vocal Brexit supporters on here.

Of course a country can leave the EU.

But unless you can suggest another alternative, you have two options, neither of which Brexit supporters seem to be able to agree on, and each time I point this out to you, you simply become abusive