[Politics] Brexit

[pb21]

Farage manipulates people to gain power. The majority of leave voters are poorly educated, bigoted, prejudiced, gullible, fools and thus easy prey for a scumbag like Farage. None of them stop to question his motivation:

He rallies support to leave the EU because he feels it is a deeply corrupt organisation and is against immigration because it takes jobs away from Brits. Okay. That's how he presents himself yet he draws a salary and a pension from the EU of which he is an MEP and gives his german wife a job in the UK. claiming only she could do that job.

He's a conman and he hides it in plain sight.

And none of them will realise it until it’s far too late .

This seems to sum him up to a T.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue

Historian Reinhard Luthin defined demagogue thus: "What is a demagogue? He is a politician skilled in oratory, flattery and invective; evasive in discussing vital issues; promising everything to everybody; appealing to the passions rather than the reason of the public; and arousing racial, religious, and class prejudices—a man whose lust for power without recourse to principle leads him to seek to become a master of the masses. He has for centuries practiced his profession of 'man of the people'. He is a product of a political tradition nearly as old as western civilization itself."

Demagogues have appeared in democracies since ancient Athens. They exploit a fundamental weakness in democracy: because ultimate power is held by the people, it is possible for the people to give that power to someone who appeals to the lowest common denominator of a large segment of the population.[7] Demagogues usually advocate immediate, forceful action to address a national crisis while accusing moderate and thoughtful opponents of weakness or disloyalty.

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Methods

Below are described a number of methods by which demagogues have manipulated and incited crowds throughout history. Not all demagogues use all of these methods, and no two demagogues use exactly the same methods to gain popularity and loyalty. Even ordinary politicians use some of these techniques from time to time; a politician who failed to stir emotions at all would have little hope of being elected. What these techniques have in common, and what distinguishes demagogues' use of them, is their consistent use to shut down reasoned deliberation by stirring up overwhelming passion.[11][29]

• Scapegoating
• Fearmongering
• Lying
• Emotional oratory and personal charisma
• Accusing opponents of weakness and disloyalty
• Promising the impossible
• Violence and physical intimidation
• Personal insults and ridicule
• Vulgarity and outrageous behavior
• Folksy posturing
• Gross oversimplification
• Attacking the news media

 

[Two Professors]

Anyone who still signs off as DR meaning Das Reich is a racist. Anyone who defends that is likely a racist too.
You’re not covering yourself in glory here. Everyone thinks you’re a thicko 2p, don’t add racist to that perception.

Everybody KNOWS you're a thicko,and if you called me a racist you would reveal your total lack of knowledge of my friends and family,but would also reveal you as the lynch-mob mentality moron type who has been chasing Danny Baker,a Labour stalwart,Remain voter,and Corbyn supporter.

 

[Two Professors]

This seems to sum him up to a T.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue

That covers Corbyn to a T,so presumably he is a demagogue?

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Farage manipulates people to gain power. The majority of leave voters are poorly educated, bigoted, prejudiced, gullible, fools and thus easy prey for a scumbag like Farage. None of them stop to question his motivation:

He rallies support to leave the EU because he feels it is a deeply corrupt organisation and is against immigration because it takes jobs away from Brits. Okay. That's how he presents himself yet he draws a salary and a pension from the EU of which he is an MEP and gives his german wife a job in the UK. claiming only she could do that job.

He's a conman and he hides it in plain sight.

And none of them will realise it until it’s far too late .

You need to grow up and show some maturity. I know its desperately difficult for you to accept any other viewpoint but to keep running onto this thread every five minutes to heap abuse on a large swathe of the British public is absurd and risible. If you had a boss who was passionate about Brexit, would you verbally abuse him in the same way. No, I thought not. You can get away with these inflammatory statements on here because the majority of views on here support you and love to indulge in self-congratulatory baiting but crassness like this should not be allowed. It drags this forum below any acceptable level of adult debate and sends out a clear message that intelligence and maturity is in very short supply.

 

[The Clamp]

Everybody KNOWS you're a thicko,and if you called me a racist you would reveal your total lack of knowledge of my friends and family,but would also reveal you as the lynch-mob mentality moron type who has been chasing Danny Baker,a Labour stalwart,Remain voter,and Corbyn supporter.

Well well well, your ignorance is illustrated once more. Go and look at my comments on the DB thread and you’ll see you’re quite wrong. You never miss an opportunity to look like a **** do you.

 

[The Clamp]

You need to grow up and show some maturity. I know its desperately difficult for you to accept any other viewpoint but to keep running onto this thread every five minutes to heap abuse on a large swathe of the British public is absurd and risible. If you had a boss who was passionate about Brexit, would you verbally abuse him in the same way. No, I thought not. You can get away with these inflammatory statements on here because the majority of views on here support you and love to indulge in self-congratulatory baiting but crassness like this should not be allowed. It drags this forum below any acceptable level of adult debate and sends out a clear message that intelligence and maturity is in very short supply.

Ha!

 

[Lever]

This seems to sum him up to a T.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue

He may not be a fascist but in my view he is a fascist 'enabler', normalising the language of war and stunning the public with fake posters that weaponise racists.

Lest we forget......

https://www.bing.com/images/search?...ter&selectedindex=0&ajaxhist=0&vt=0&eim=1,2,6

 

[The Clamp]

He may not be a fascist but in my view he is a fascist 'enabler', normalising the language of war and stunning the public with fake posters that weaponise racists.

Lest we forget......

https://www.bing.com/images/search?...ter&selectedindex=0&ajaxhist=0&vt=0&eim=1,2,6

I am with you, I don’t think he’s a racist and I don’t think he believes most of what he says. It has however made him a very rich man. His motivation is money and maybe power.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I see the Chinese/USA trade war is warming up just in time for Britain to dive in and show them who's boss

 

[Lever]

I am with you, I don’t think he’s a racist and I don’t think he believes most of what he says. It has however made him a very rich man. His motivation is money and maybe power.

Whatever his motive, he is dangerously good at what he does and we should not undermine his powers to persuade....
But 'man of the people' ? - I don't think so.

 

[WATFORD zero]

You need to grow up and show some maturity. I know its desperately difficult for you to accept any other viewpoint but to keep running onto this thread every five minutes to heap abuse on a large swathe of the British public is absurd and risible. If you had a boss who was passionate about Brexit, would you verbally abuse him in the same way. No, I thought not. You can get away with these inflammatory statements on here because the majority of views on here support you and love to indulge in self-congratulatory baiting but crassness like this should not be allowed. It drags this forum below any acceptable level of adult debate and sends out a clear message that intelligence and maturity is in very short supply.

Well in this environment of intelligent and mature debate that you are seeking , which Brexit are you supporting, customs union or hard border in NI?

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I see the Chinese/USA trade war is warming up just in time for Britain to dive in and show them who's boss

A gun-boat is on its way...…...

 

[WATFORD zero]

A gun-boat is on its way...…...

They have no idea what they are messing with https://www.toymart.com/Dinky-672-OSA-Missile-Boat/2128

 

[Hastings gull]

Farage manipulates people to gain power. The majority of leave voters are poorly educated, bigoted, prejudiced, gullible, fools and thus easy prey for a scumbag like Farage. None of them stop to question his motivation:

He rallies support to leave the EU because he feels it is a deeply corrupt organisation and is against immigration because it takes jobs away from Brits. Okay. That's how he presents himself yet he draws a salary and a pension from the EU of which he is an MEP and gives his german wife a job in the UK. claiming only she could do that job.

He's a conman and he hides it in plain sight.

And none of them will realise it until it’s far too late .

With such arrogance, I think I can see why your employer doesn't want to give you a pay rise (other thread) -he has obviously has enough.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I see Have I got News for you was pulled from the schedule last night, because one of the guests was Heidi Allen of Change UK (the sitting Parliamentary MP) and the Beeb didn't want to put her on in the run up to the Euro Elections, in the interests of impartiality.

However they broadcast MEP Nigel Farage on Thursday Night on Question Time though. Maybe Heidi just isn't as funny as Nigel

 

[tedebear]

I see Have I got News for you was pulled from the schedule last night, because one of the guests was Heidi Allen of Change UK (the sitting Parliamentary MP) and the Beeb didn't want to put her on in the run up to the Euro Elections, in the interests of impartiality.

They broadcast MEP Nigel Farage on Thursday Night on question time though. Maybe Heidi isn't as funny as Nigel

Thats what we wondered? The driveling spittling Farage pulls more viewing? Rather than risk an unknown risking their "impartiality" which is bollocks anyhow (a la Laura Kuenssberg)...

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I see Have I got News for you was pulled from the schedule last night, because one of the guests was Heidi Allen of Change UK (the sitting Parliamentary MP) and the Beeb didn't want to put her on in the run up to the Euro Elections, in the interests of impartiality.

However they broadcast MEP Nigel Farage on Thursday Night on Question Time though. Maybe Heidi just isn't as funny as Nigel

I don't bother with Shouty Time anymore, but in theory it is a political show so they are going to have EU candidates on it.

Seems reasonable to have different rules for HIGNFY leading up to an election.

 

[Lever]

Thats what we wondered? The driveling spittling Farage pulls more viewing? Rather than risk an unknown risking their "impartiality" which is bollocks anyhow (a la Laura Kuenssberg)...

..... and as far as I know, Heidi Allen has never referred to those who disagree with her politics as 'enemies of the people'

 

[ManOfSussex]

I think the issue with 'Have I Got News For You' and Heidi Allen this week was one of perceived balance in an election period - As well as Nigel Farage, 'Question Time' did have Anna Soubry of Change UK, Johnathan Reynolds of Labour and The Right Honrouble Member for Hastings and Rye, Ms Rudd (or 'Amber' as she prefers to be known if talking face to face with her)

 

[tedebear]

..... and as far as I know, Heidi Allen has never referred to those who disagree with her politics as 'enemies of the people'

Indeed ratings over impartiality " thus doth protest too much"...