[Politics] Brexit

[nicko31]

That's your preferred option I know but unlikely to happen as parliament would rather throw 17.4 million ballot papers in the bin.

Probably getting to the end game now ...

Stage 1 Promise to enact the result of this once in a lifetime vote (as agreed by all sides) and set out clear red lines/commitments to get in No 10/get elected

Stage 2 Begin to renege on promises

Stage 3 Big money backers start funding campaigns and groups determined to overturn the referendum result.

Stage 4 Talk up Russian influence and illegal funding to delegitimise the referendum despite zero evidence they had any discernable effect

Stage 5 Negotatite a deal so sh*t it goes down to the biggest defeat in parliamentary history

Stage 6 Renege on even more promises then government/opposition/parliament head towards a 'soft' Brexit that most leavers don't want

Stage 7 Patronising bellends big up leave lies/ ignore Remain lies and insist the poor hoodwinked leave plebs have another go despite the poor hoodwinked leave plebs not wanting another go.

Stage 7* Government/Parliament Renege on the final few promises and Insist we all vote again with only two likely options being May's sh*t deal/ 'soft' Brexit or Remain

Stage 8* Surprise surprise many Leavers either don't vote out of principle or disgust at half in half out being the only choice .... Remain wins on a much-reduced turn out after campaigns that are as bad probably worse than in the 'once in a lifetime' referendum THE END.

*To be confirmed

Democracy RIP

Where does the NCA investigation into Leave.EU slot into proceedings?

Brexiteers could have voted for May's deal and get it over the line, but look the they are so consumed by their own cult they may have blown it

 

[nicko31]

Saw this tweet earlier today and immediately thought of you dave ...

A bit like an Albion fan that last week booked the Premier Travel Inn at Wembley on 16th May

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Nah, democracy is responsible for all sorts of nasty outcomes but can correct itself.

Hopefully (whatever happens) your favoured style of "democracy" populism is dead.

We've had MPs blatantly lying on social media and television (Rees Mogg, Duncan Smith) and Mark Francois quoting Jesus in Parliament like an American evangelist.




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Democracy brought in the Poll tax. Whatever happened to that?

 

[Is it PotG?]

Democracy brought in the Poll tax. Whatever happened to that?

Didn't they just rebrand it under some other title, to make it easier to swallow. Like Marathon/Snickers?

 

[nicko31]

You think the EU won’t budge, I think they will, mainly because they are capitalists, and money franks EU politicians egos

Still waiting...

 

[clapham_gull]

Democracy brought in the Poll tax. Whatever happened to that?

Well it's worth reading about the poll tax. There is a good book called biggest political mistakes or something. It was an idea that came out of the civil service that got completely out of hand.

HS2 will probably be similar.

Anyone who has ever worked in the public sector will have experienced the juggernaut effect.

If the PS has spent 100 million on a rubbish idea it will quite gladly continue wasting another 100 million so not to lose the original 100 million.

Not spending the extra 100 million is never seen as 100 million saved.




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[WATFORD zero]

That's your preferred option I know but unlikely to happen as parliament would rather throw 17.4 million ballot papers in the bin.

Probably getting to the end game now ...

Stage 1 Promise to enact the result of this once in a lifetime vote (as agreed by all sides) and set out clear red lines/commitments to get in No 10/get elected

Stage 2 Begin to renege on promises

Stage 3 Big money backers start funding campaigns and groups determined to overturn the referendum result.

Stage 4 Talk up Russian influence and illegal funding to delegitimise the referendum despite zero evidence they had any discernable effect

Stage 5 Negotatite a deal so sh*t it goes down to the biggest defeat in parliamentary history

Stage 6 Renege on even more promises then government/opposition/parliament head towards a 'soft' Brexit that most leavers don't want

Stage 7 Patronising bellends big up leave lies/ ignore Remain lies and insist the poor hoodwinked leave plebs have another go despite the poor hoodwinked leave plebs not wanting another go.

Stage 7* Government/Parliament Renege on the final few promises and Insist we all vote again with only two likely options being May's sh*t deal/ 'soft' Brexit or Remain

Stage 8* Surprise surprise many Leavers either don't vote out of principle or disgust at half in half out being the only choice .... Remain wins on a much-reduced turn out after campaigns that are as bad probably worse than in the 'once in a lifetime' referendum THE END.

*To be confirmed

Democracy RIP

Or alternatively

Stage 1 They sold you an unimplementable fantasy



Stage 2 You still can't see it

 

[WATFORD zero]

Well it's worth reading about the poll tax. There is a good book called biggest political mistakes or something. It was an idea that came out of the civil service that got completely out of hand.

HS2 will probably be similar.

Anyone who has ever worked in the public sector will have experienced the juggernaut effect.

If the PS has spent 100 million on a rubbish idea it will quite gladly continue wasting another 100 million so not to lose the original 100 million.

Not spending the extra 100 million is never seen as 100 million saved.




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It happens in the private sector too (which can be handy if, as often happens on the big ones, you're on a T&M basis)

 

[nicko31]

Peter Oborne (Daily Mail) - I was a strong Brexiteer. Now we must swallow our pride and think again

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/op...ow-we-must-swallow-our-pride-and-think-again/

I'll give it to him, must have taken guts to write this...

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Peter Oborne (Daily Mail) - I was a strong Brexiteer. Now we must swallow our pride and think again

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/op...ow-we-must-swallow-our-pride-and-think-again/

I'll give it to him, must have taken guts to write this...

Extraordinary. I have read Oborne occasionally, and he has always come across as someone worth reading (if you like to keep an eye on what the enemy think). One hallmark of his has been his stability and steadfastness - in sharp contrast to iconoclastic former communist, Peter Hitchens, who recently wrote:

"Theresa May ’s Tories have always been far closer to Jeremy Corbyn than they like to admit. That’s why all their attacks on him fail so badly, and why there is a real possibility that he will become Prime Minister if the Government is idiotic enough to call an Election.

The Tories’ wild, Trotskyist policies on marriage, ‘equality’, ‘diversity’ and education actually aren’t much different from Mr Corbyn’s."

see the fail online https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/

 

[clapham_gull]

Peter Oborne (Daily Mail) - I was a strong Brexiteer. Now we must swallow our pride and think again

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/op...ow-we-must-swallow-our-pride-and-think-again/

I'll give it to him, must have taken guts to write this...

Well he describes himself as "Conservative" but is actually very independently minded. In that respect a bit like Peter Hitchen.

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[The Clamp]

Everyone knows the only thing to do now is revoke. Even hardcore brexiteers know this, it’s just pride keeping us on this ridiculous path to ruin.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Well it's worth reading about the poll tax. There is a good book called biggest political mistakes or something. It was an idea that came out of the civil service that got completely out of hand.

HS2 will probably be similar.

Anyone who has ever worked in the public sector will have experienced the juggernaut effect.

If the PS has spent 100 million on a rubbish idea it will quite gladly continue wasting another 100 million so not to lose the original 100 million.

Not spending the extra 100 million is never seen as 100 million saved.




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I remember in the early 90s, living in Faversham, I was paying about £150 a year on 'rates'. A mate who lived in Muswell Hill was paying well over a grand. My uderstanding was the poll tax was supposed to get more money off the likes of me (in a high employment bumpkin tory burrough with nothing but white people who knew their place) in exchange for less from white people in rich London burroughs with nevertheless a significant number of social service issues such as homelessness, and 'they come over here and go on the dole' residents. Wandsworth then went all poster boy by keeping their poll tax low (by making the burrough inhospitable for the poor and needy who had to go elsewhere, such as the naive socialist republics of Lambeth and Southwark, who were still in 'no compromise with the electorate' and 'yes, let's fund a Somali creche' mode). It was only when it became clear that white grannies living in big houses were getting hammered, threatening tory votes, that the climbdown came. I am conflating a lot of issues here but my bottom line is - it was the tories who cooked up the poll tax, and cocked it up by not thinking it through. Who would have known they would do the same thing with Brexit?

 

[Mo Gosfield]

That's your preferred option I know but unlikely to happen as parliament would rather throw 17.4 million ballot papers in the bin.

Probably getting to the end game now ...

Stage 1 Promise to enact the result of this once in a lifetime vote (as agreed by all sides) and set out clear red lines/commitments to get in No 10/get elected

Stage 2 Begin to renege on promises

Stage 3 Big money backers start funding campaigns and groups determined to overturn the referendum result.

Stage 4 Talk up Russian influence and illegal funding to delegitimise the referendum despite zero evidence they had any discernable effect

Stage 5 Negotatite a deal so sh*t it goes down to the biggest defeat in parliamentary history

Stage 6 Renege on even more promises then government/opposition/parliament head towards a 'soft' Brexit that most leavers don't want

Stage 7 Patronising bellends big up leave lies/ ignore Remain lies and insist the poor hoodwinked leave plebs have another go despite the poor hoodwinked leave plebs not wanting another go.

Stage 7* Government/Parliament Renege on the final few promises and Insist we all vote again with only two likely options being May's sh*t deal/ 'soft' Brexit or Remain

Stage 8* Surprise surprise many Leavers either don't vote out of principle or disgust at half in half out being the only choice .... Remain wins on a much-reduced turn out after campaigns that are as bad probably worse than in the 'once in a lifetime' referendum THE END.

*To be confirmed

Democracy RIP

9 ) Revoke Article 50. Hold a referendum ( keeps all the Remainers happy ) Declare it binding, only if a particular percentage vote ( gives Leavers the opportunity to abstain or vote for a deal and encourages every angry 18 year in the Country to vote Remain......keeps everyone happy ) The vote will fall below the required percentage and the people will have spoken. The process starts all over again. New PM, new direction. At least another 2-3 years of negotiations. Perfect for business. Happy days. No drastic readjustment needed. Still in for a period of time and business can get used to the idea of leaving over a longer period of time.
We will all have to re-negotiate our own trade deals in the future anyway, when EuroFall inevitably happens ( and if you are in denial and don't think it will ever happen...start studying political and economic history )
10) Emigrate.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Didn't they just rebrand it under some other title, to make it easier to swallow. Like Marathon/Snickers?

No. Council tax is per household, like rates used to be, not per person.

 

[sydney]

9 ) Revoke Article 50. Hold a referendum ( keeps all the Remainers happy ) Declare it binding, only if a particular percentage vote ( gives Leavers the opportunity to abstain or vote for a deal and encourages every angry 18 year in the Country to vote Remain......keeps everyone happy ) The vote will fall below the required percentage and the people will have spoken. The process starts all over again. New PM, new direction. At least another 2-3 years of negotiations. Perfect for business. Happy days. No drastic readjustment needed. Still in for a period of time and business can get used to the idea of leaving over a longer period of time.
We will all have to re-negotiate our own trade deals in the future anyway, when EuroFall inevitably happens ( and if you are in denial and don't think it will ever happen...start studying political and economic history )
10) Emigrate.

fast forward to 10 ....if you can put up with the whitings and snipings of the bore masters.........such is life , we've all got one so far....!!

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Saw this tweet earlier today and immediately thought of you dave ...

Isn't it illegal for the passport of an EU member state not to carry the words 'European Union'? Has anyone tried to use one of these things?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Unelected bureaucrats in Luxembourg

[tweet]1114954083511808006[/tweet]

 

[Stat Brother]

Unelected bureaucrats in Luxembourg

[tweet]1114954083511808006[/tweet]

Boooo, I wanted to post this.


My very favourite subsection of fudging idiot Brexiters:-

'Life intrinsically linked to the EU - voted to Leave the EU - then discover their life was intrinsically linked to the EU'.


Absolute MORONS, every single one of them.

"I might as well drop dead"

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Boooo, I wanted to post this.

Sorry