[Politics] Brexit

[GT49er]

Why are You letting facts get in the way? Don’t you know we’re all going to starve next year? We’ll all be queuing up at stand pipes and paying £700 for a boiled potato[//B]...........

Not if you manage to smuggle your own into the Amex.....................

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Good spot. Yet again it turns out well. Just look at Ireland before them

#Together

 

[Two Professors]

We Leavers have suspected this for some time.It explains everything (even Watford Gap).

 

[Stat Brother]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45250070

Brexit: NHS managers warn about impact of no deal

The group representing hospitals and ambulance services in England has warned of a lack of "contingency planning" to deal with the impact of a no-deal Brexit on the health service.


didn't they read the bus?:-

 

[melias shoes]

We Leavers have suspected this for some time.It explains everything (even Watford Gap).

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Spot on.

 

[Mellotron]

And here’s a very different and much more sobering view on their predicament.

As a result Greece could end up back where it started, with debts again on an unsustainable path despite its years of austerity.

Sounds like Project Fear to me. Why not a brainless no-evidence-based belief in Great Greece and the Greek stiff upper lip, etc?

 

[melias shoes]

cheers. I was struggling.


...ok, reading that, it is hardly damning is it.
Low wages in India shock, and they have to ask to go to the toiilet?
Would imagine there are owners of companies who have all sorts of political backgrounds who have similar set ups in 3rd world countries.

That's makes it alright then?

 

[daveinprague]

That's makes it alright then?

It never makes it right, but to single out one because of your political bias is a bit stupid.
You forgot to tell what happens to the country if the it leaves the EU without a deal. How will it affect trade etc?
You know.. that thing you voted for. I cant believe you dont know what you voted for, so be brave.

You seem a bit scared to answer when asked.

 

[Baldseagull]

We Leavers have suspected this for some time.It explains everything (even Watford Gap).

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If you were able to comprehend anything to do with Brexit, you might be a bit worried too. I sometimes envy your level of ignorance, but I quite like being able to tie my own shoe laces.

 

[larus]

Sounds like Project Fear to me. Why not a brainless no-evidence-based belief in Great Greece and the Greek stiff upper lip, etc?

I think you're is being being facetious (or dumb, but that would surprise me).

The facts are that the Debt vs GDP ratio is about 180%. It's unsustainable and will be interesting what happens when Greece needs to get funding from the market and not the ECB. Then, when the next downturn arrives (which it will - it's a basic fact of economics), they have no room to manoeuvre. Any form of recession will shrink their economy (even more than has happened already), thereby exacerbating the GDP ratio higher. Those are undeniable facts.

Now, let's address Project Fear. This is based on opinions and assumptions. Some people take a negative view, others less so. No one is (sensibly) saying there won't be short-term/medium-term impacts - there will. The Fear side like to portray a doomsday scenario but, in the eyes of many, they have no credibility.

Glad be have been of service to help your understanding

 

[daveinprague]

What on earth is short term or medium term impact exactly?

incidentally, there are people on NSC and around the country who do believe there will be no impact.
'life will go on' etc etc

 

[Mellotron]

I think you're is being being facetious (or dumb, but that would surprise me).

No further questions, your Honour.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I do like a story with a happy ending

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45243088

Greece emerges from eurozone bailout programme

Very satisfying to know the EU has successfully stepped in to help a struggling member.

Not so happy for the people of Greece though. EU and Greek politicians didn't feel any pain. Yet the real people of Greece lost their jobs, their homes, had to supply their own sheets in hospital because hospitals couldn't afford to clean sheets, people died because ambulances ran out of petrol.

France and Germany lent Greece money but only on the condition it was spent on defence and infrastructure projects delivered by the pair of them.

Meanwhile the EU turned a blind eye to Greece joining the Eurozone just to ensure it's project would grow.

Here's a telling quote from Professor Kevin Featherstone at LSE : "Greece has saved the euro."

And that's exactly the point - the people of Greece suffered, and in some cases died, to save the Euro and to ensure the EU project continues .... for now.

So it's a happy ending for the EU ..... not the people of Greece.

 

[Two Professors]

If you were able to comprehend anything to do with Brexit, you might be a bit worried too. I sometimes envy your level of ignorance, but I quite like being able to tie my own shoe laces.

I comprehend we are LEAVING!Tie your own shoe laces?Doesn't your swollen head make you over-balance when you try?

 

[Two Professors]

Sounds like Project Fear to me. Why not a brainless no-evidence-based belief in Great Greece and the Greek stiff upper lip, etc?

Because they are stuck with a dead-beat socialist government who think 40% youth unemployment is fine.They will be just like Venezuela soon.

 

[Baldseagull]

I think you're is being being facetious (or dumb, but that would surprise me).

The facts are that the Debt vs GDP ratio is about 180%. It's unsustainable and will be interesting what happens when Greece needs to get funding from the market and not the ECB. Then, when the next downturn arrives (which it will - it's a basic fact of economics), they have no room to manoeuvre. Any form of recession will shrink their economy (even more than has happened already), thereby exacerbating the GDP ratio higher. Those are undeniable facts.

Now, let's address Project Fear. This is based on opinions and assumptions. Some people take a negative view, others less so. No one is (sensibly) saying there won't be short-term/medium-term impacts - there will. The Fear side like to portray a doomsday scenario but, in the eyes of many, they have no credibility.

Glad be have been of service to help your understanding

Lets agree that there is some level of assumption with regards to what might happen. Why do you assume it will all end well?

 

[Baldseagull]

Not so happy for the people of Greece though. EU and Greek politicians didn't feel any pain. Yet the real people of Greece lost their jobs, their homes, had to supply their own sheets in hospital because hospitals couldn't afford to clean sheets, people died because ambulances ran out of petrol.

France and Germany lent Greece money but only on the condition it was spent on defence and infrastructure projects delivered by the pair of them.

Meanwhile the EU turned a blind eye to Greece joining the Eurozone just to ensure it's project would grow.

Here's a telling quote from Professor Kevin Featherstone at LSE : "Greece has saved the euro."

And that's exactly the point - the people of Greece suffered, and in some cases died, to save the Euro and to ensure the EU project continues .... for now.

So it's a happy ending for the EU ..... not the people of Greece.

Your going to know how they feel soon if Rees-Mogg gets his way.

 

[Blue3]

Did others notice last two weeks how empty the supermarket shelves were, apparently the result of a few trains being cancelled through the channel tunnel, is this what can be expected if Brexit happens with no deal

 

[Two Professors]

Did others notice last two weeks how empty the supermarket shelves were, apparently the result of a few trains being cancelled through the channel tunnel, is this what can be expected if Brexit happens with no deal

No.Perhaps you imagined it?

 

[ManOfSussex]

Did others notice last two weeks how empty the supermarket shelves were, apparently the result of a few trains being cancelled through the channel tunnel, is this what can be expected if Brexit happens with no deal

There was very little fresh produce in Sainsbury's in Hastings Saturday morning. It was very noticeable, I'd never seen that in a supermarket on a Saturday morning before. (I used to work in there well over 20 years back when I was at 6th form college - every delivery coming in for a Saturday morning used to be packed with produce.)