[Politics] Brexit

[Hampster Gull]

There is something of the Flat Earth perspective on show here - but I'm afraid it's on your side of the fence. Let's accept that economically things are going to get worse if/when we leave The only things we don't know

a) how much worse?
b) what does it look like in the longer term?

But sure it won't be like the Y2K predictions - planes falling out of the sky etc. And we'll have those lovely blue passports!

And bridges, don’t forget the bridges. Trumptastic

 

[Westdene Seagull]

How many times does the EU have to say, if you leave, you leave, theres no a la carte deal for you, before they start getting it?

For once I agree with the EU - fine, lets just leave. The problem being that May is pussyfooting around remainers. I'd have told Tusk and his corrupt gang to sling their hooks by now.

 

[mikeyjh]

Interesting listen with Nick Robinson interviewing Anna Soubry whichever side of the brexit/political fence you are. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05z5mgx

At the start, from a less impartial perspective, and if you want to know what th rest of Europe is thinking - “It reminds me of Apocalypse Now when Martin Sheen is walking in a trench and he asks another soldier, ‘hey soldier, do you know who’s in charge here?’ and he replies, ‘ain’t you?’ French car industry leader.....

 

[Berty23]

For once I agree with the EU - fine, lets just leave. The problem being that May is pussyfooting around remainers. I'd have told Tusk and his corrupt gang to sling their hooks by now.

Fortunately our leaders know that simply just leaving without a deal would leave us screwed. Seriously.

 

[WATFORD zero]

For once I agree with the EU - fine, lets just leave. The problem being that May is pussyfooting around remainers. I'd have told Tusk and his corrupt gang to sling their hooks by now.

I think this sums up the situation perfectly. When it was a simple yes/no vote, you always used to put together arguments for leaving and what and how it should be done, even though most remainers wouldn't agree with you.

But now the real situation is becoming clearer, all the things kicked into the long grass are coming back, and our negotiating position is laid bare for all to see.

And your reaction to it, is to have a temper tantrum and jump into bed with [MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION] (metaphorically)

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I think this sums up the situation perfectly. When it was a simple yes/no vote, you always used to put together arguments for leaving and what and how it should be done, even though most remainers wouldn't agree with you.

But now the real situation is becoming clearer, all the things kicked into the long grass are coming back, and our negotiating position is laid bare for all to see.

And your reaction to it, is to have a temper tantrum and jump into bed with [MENTION=11191]Pretty pink fairy[/MENTION] (metaphorically)

Not a temper tantrum - just I wouldn't give in to the bullying and blackmail. Hungary and Poland don't give in to the EU - nor should we.

 

[beorhthelm]

Despite the fact that Tusk is saying the UK Brexit plan is.. an illusion.... im sure marching into negotiations waving our blue passports and saying, were British, lets have none of your nonsense will work.
How many times does the EU have to say, if you leave, you leave, theres no a la carte deal for you, before they start getting it?

Tusk needs to take a hard line because thats what the EU does. give nothing away until actual negotiations, even in negotiations until the last minute. for months people have been saying theres no plan for post-brexit, now theres a basic plan (no meat on the bones yet), its dismissed without discussion? this "a la carte" trope is just part of their negotitions, if they dismiss it we're back to no deal or end brexit. any deal will involve keeping parts of current arrangment and dropping others, after all that the EU are doing insisting on so many rights and conditions.

 

[daveinprague]

Not a temper tantrum - just I wouldn't give in to the bullying and blackmail. Hungary and Poland don't give in to the EU - nor should we.

Giving in?
UK says it wants to leave the EU.
EU says, go ahead. If you leave, you leave.
Thats not blackmail, or bullying. Its a reality.

 

[daveinprague]

Tusk needs to take a hard line because thats what the EU does. give nothing away until actual negotiations, even in negotiations until the last minute. for months people have been saying theres no plan for post-brexit, now theres a basic plan (no meat on the bones yet), its dismissed without discussion? this "a la carte" trope is just part of their negotitions, if they dismiss it we're back to no deal or end brexit. any deal will involve keeping parts of current arrangment and dropping others, after all that the EU are doing insisting on so many rights and conditions.

They have repeatedly stated. If you leave, you leave. You cannot cherry pick a deal.
The only 'negotiations' is how to break apart. Why the hell should the EU say, yeah ok, you can still have the benefits, without being in the club.

 

[beorhthelm]

They have repeatedly stated. If you leave, you leave. You cannot cherry pick a deal.
The only 'negotiations' is how to break apart. Why the hell should the EU say, yeah ok, you can still have the benefits, without being in the club.

ok so why do they insist on so many rights remaining for EU citizens? sounds like they are wanting to maintain benefits, their deeds do not match thee words.

 

[Stoo82]

They have repeatedly stated. If you leave, you leave. You cannot cherry pick a deal.
The only 'negotiations' is how to break apart. Why the hell should the EU say, yeah ok, you can still have the benefits, without being in the club.

Because the EU would gain from it too.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Giving in?
UK says it wants to leave the EU.
EU says, go ahead. If you leave, you leave.
Thats not blackmail, or bullying. Its a reality.

Then why do the EU want to do a deal ? Because they also lose out if we just leave without one.

 

[Baldseagull]

For once I agree with the EU - fine, lets just leave. The problem being that May is pussyfooting around remainers. I'd have told Tusk and his corrupt gang to sling their hooks by now.

You mean she should I think that would be

 

[daveinprague]

Then why do the EU want to do a deal ? Because they also lose out if we just leave without one.

Not as much, and again, they have repeatedly said, if you leave, you leave.
The only people who are saying they will lose out are Brexit people.

 

[daveinprague]

Because the EU would gain from it too.

Yeah, so people with Brexit position keep saying.

 

[daveinprague]

ok so why do they insist on so many rights remaining for EU citizens? sounds like they are wanting to maintain benefits, their deeds do not match thee words.

Because they are guaranteeing the rights of British citizens in the EU.
People who have lived in the EU for years, the same as EU citizens living in the UK have for years.

Not a lot to do with trade, and the EU is a trading block.

 

[daveinprague]

Im cancelling my membership to this club!
Ok sir

Week later. Can I come in?
No, its a members only club.
Cant I just use the bar?
No, its a members only club.
What about the restaurant?
No, its a members only club.

Why are you being so mean!!! You will benefit from receiving my money!
What part of, no its a members only club are you not understanding?

 

[Stoo82]

Im cancelling my membership to this club!
Ok sir

Week later. Can I come in?
No, its a members only club.
Cant I just use the bar?
No, its a members only club.
What about the restaurant?
No, its a members only club.

Why are you being so mean!!! You will benefit from receiving my money!
What part of, no its a members only club are you not understanding?

So why is the EU even talking if it's only an in or out deal?

 

[BigGully]

Im cancelling my membership to this club!
Ok sir

Week later. Can I come in?
No, its a members only club.
Cant I just use the bar?
No, its a members only club.
What about the restaurant?
No, its a members only club.

Why are you being so mean!!! You will benefit from receiving my money!
What part of, no its a members only club are you not understanding?

I think you have been living in the east far too long ....................

 

[Hampster Gull]

Im cancelling my membership to this club!
Ok sir

Week later. Can I come in?
No, its a members only club.
Cant I just use the bar?
No, its a members only club.
What about the restaurant?
No, its a members only club.

Why are you being so mean!!! You will benefit from receiving my money!
What part of, no its a members only club are you not understanding?

Indeed. And then finally, after more and more desperate approaches the club says, ok, to come in for a drink here, here are our (onerous) terms. Your choice.