[Politics] Brexit

[cheshunt seagull]

There does seem to be some confusion amongst some remainers that leaving the EU automatically removes us from involvement in Horizon2020 and funding.

Our involvement in Horizon2020 will continue though, this was negotiated and confirmed in the EU/UK joint statement a few weeks ago.

“Following withdrawal from the union, the UK will continue to participate in the union programmes…until their closure,”
“Entities located in the UK will be entitled to participate in such programmes.”
“Accordingly, the eligibility to apply to participate in union programmes and union funding for UK participants and projects will be unaffected by the UK’s withdrawal from the union for the entire lifetime of such projects.”

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...rderly_withdrawal_from_the_European_Union.pdf

Tim Bradshaw, the chief executive of the Russell Group Universities , said “We also welcome that people with settled status will be able to spend up to five consecutive years outside the UK without losing this status. This will help ensure future academic collaboration with international partners is not undermined. We would encourage the government to put the terms of the agreement on citizens’ rights into UK law as soon as possible.”
Dr Bradshaw said that the confirmation of the UK’s continuing participation in Horizon 2020 was “another big step forwards”

https://www.timeshighereducation.co...rances-post-brexit-residency-and-horizon-2020



Participation from outside the European Union in Horizon2020 is explicitly encouraged.
Any applicant based in a country which is associated to Horizon 2020 is automatically eligible for funding. Associated countries participate under the same conditions as legal entities from the Member State countries.

Associated countries are;
Iceland
Norway
Albania
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Macedonia
Montenegro
Serbia
Turkey
Israel
Moldova
Switzerland
Faroe Islands
Ukraine
Tunisia
Georgia
Armenia

Additionally, applicants based in any of the countries listed here are automatically eligible for funding under the Horizon 2020 budget:

Afghanistan, Algeria, American Samoa, Angola, Argentina, Armenia, Azerbaijan Bangladesh, Belarus, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Botswana, Burkina Faso, Burundi Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Chile, Colombia, Comoros, Congo (Democratic People's Republic), Congo (Republic), Costa Rica, Côte d’Ivoire, Cuba Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Eritrea, Ethiopia Fiji Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Ghana, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana Haiti, Honduras Indonesia, Iran, Iraq Jamaica, Jordan Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kiribati, Korea (Democratic People's Republic), Kosovo*, Kyrgyz Republic Lao, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya Madagascar, Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Mauritius, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar Namibia, Nepal, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria Pakistan, Palau, Palestine, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines Rwanda Samoa, Sao Tome and Principe, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, South Sudan, Sri Lanka, St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Sudan, Suriname, Swaziland, Syrian Arab Republic Tajikistan, Tanzania, Thailand, Timor-Leste, Togo, Tonga, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu Uganda, Uruguay, Uzbekistan Vanuatu, Venezuela, Vietnam Yemen Zambia, Zimbabwe

http://ec.europa.eu/research/partic...rants_manual/hi/3cpart/h2020-hi-3cpart_en.pdf

When Horizon expires in 2020 Framework Programme 9 (FP9) will take over, participation is expected to be along similar lines.It does seem rather inconceivable given the active roll played by so many countries that the UK will not participate in this new venture or will be frozen out as a tiny few have suggested.

As with other EU programmes, like Erasmus +, there will be an option for the UK to be involved but the financial terms will be different and will inevitably be less attractive on a case-by-case basis. This is all part of the financial debit side of leaving the EU that was not mentioned when the 350 million figure was being bandied about. My post was in response to the description of such programmes as a gravy train. The reality is that they bring huge benefits beyond academia and my belief is that the financial benefits are optimised as an EU member.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...6736(17)31926-8/abstract#.WlIrjKWAXtc.twitter

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I wasn't suggesting for a moment that benefit sanctions are the reason for record employment. I do know people who have been sanctioned on their JSA claim for the reasons I gave, hence why I gave them. Coming from Hastings and living in the real world rather than Middle Earth I know a fair few people who claim all manner of in-work and out of work benefits, or did in some cases until UC roll-out. I get the distinct impression you've never been inside a Job Centre Plus, but no need for you to clarify that as I know you don't like anecdotal stories as they get in the way of cutting and pasting articles from The Guido Fawkes blog site.

It is strange though - in my hometown of Hastings, rough sleeping on any given night is up to around 50 from 12 and in 2016 alone, 1,100 people moved to Hastings from London, putting additional strain on the things you mentioned in an earlier post when blaming immigrants, street drinking seems to be back at levels I haven't seen since the early 1990's and begging at a level I've never seen it at - Strange how despite this record employment these things coincide with Universal Credit roll-out and the benefits cap being implemented. I remember the days of entire families from London living in bed and breakfasts in Hastings and all the problems that caused. Looks like we're going back there........................

Still, blue passports though because we've got our country back.

Ah I thought you were suggesting the big brother benefits sanctions regime was only there so those nasty Tories could trumpet the reduced number of unemployed. As I stated earlier I doubt that would be the only/one off reason why someone would be sanctioned. Whereas if someone continually ignores the agreement that they sign up to I expect a sanction will eventually occur. Oh no... I simply love the numerous anecdotal tales made by Remainers but it does seem a tad convenient how they all only ever, purely coincidentally, reinforce their prejudices.

Hastings council reckons about 40 and not all of those are rough sleepers but lets not quibble over the total number. Remind me again what this increase or the universal credit roll out has to do with Brexit?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

You have. Constantly. Droning on about 80 per cent of people voting for a party that was supporting Brexit in 2017 as if it proved something or other. The mark of a man who can't successfully argue his case is one who can't resist tired old name-calling, time after time after time.

I see you have the same interpretation of truthfulness as The Clamp. It's a statement of fact that over 80% voted for parties that promised to deliver Brexit in their manifestos. Does that mean every person supports everything in a manifesto ... nope.

 

[nicko31]

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...6736(17)31926-8/abstract#.WlIrjKWAXtc.twitter

In summary...

NHS under the Tories with a soft Brexit, its screwed

NHS under the Tories with a hard or failed Brexit, its finished

 

[Hampster Gull]

In summary...

NHS under the Tories with a soft Brexit, its screwed

NHS under the Tories with a hard or failed Brexit, its finished

The U.K. under Momentum and Corbyn will be a disaster for the country and ultimately the NHS

 

[ManOfSussex]

Ah I thought you were suggesting the big brother benefits sanctions regime was only there so those nasty Tories could trumpet the reduced number of unemployed. As I stated earlier I doubt that would be the only/one off reason why someone would be sanctioned. Whereas if someone continually ignores the agreement that they sign up to I expect a sanction will eventually occur. Oh no... I simply love the numerous anecdotal tales made by Remainers but it does seem a tad convenient how they all only ever, purely coincidentally, reinforce their prejudices.

Hastings council reckons about 40 and not all of those are rough sleepers but lets not quibble over the total number. Remind me again what this increase or the universal credit roll out has to do with Brexit?

It means basically a smug little England **** like you has no idea how the real world works.

 

[nicko31]

The U.K. under Momentum and Corbyn will be a disaster for the country and ultimately the NHS

It would be the perfect storm combined, though 5 years of Jezzer would not be as bad as an extreme Brexit

 

[GT49er]

You have. Constantly. Droning on about 80 per cent of people voting for a party that was supporting Brexit in 2017 as if it proved something or other. The mark of a man who can't successfully argue his case is one who can't resist tired old name-calling, time after time after time.

Oh do tell, we're all agog...........which party did 80% of the people vote for in 2017? They must have won a right old landslide......funny we didn't notice it. Probably all because of Brexit.............

 

[GT49er]

In summary...

NHS under the Tories with a soft Brexit, its screwed

NHS under the Tories with a hard or failed Brexit, its finished

I wonder which way the report's authors voted in the referendum. I think I can make a pretty good guess!

 

[portslade seagull]

It would be the perfect storm combined, though 5 years of Jezzer would not be as bad as an extreme Brexit

Are you for real ??. I hope he does make it just so all his merry men can totally screw everything. Your be begging for a change pretty quick. I'd rather the lib dems and they are bad enough but not as potty as the red crew

 

[GT49er]

Are you for real ??. I hope he does make it just so all his merry men can totally screw everything. Your be begging for a change pretty quick. I'd rather the lib dems and they are bad enough but not as potty as the red crew

I think you'll find in his view of he world the return of the Black Death wouldn't be as bad as a hard Brexit!

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I see you have the same interpretation of truthfulness as The Clamp. It's a statement of fact that over 80% voted for parties that promised to deliver Brexit in their manifestos. Does that mean every person supports everything in a manifesto ... nope.

Yep, nope is the answer. Which is why you invoking the election result as backing for Brexit was simply waffle. Here we have an excellent example of you making two opposing points simultaneously. Shameless and shallow I'm afraid.

 

[The Rivet]

Leavers on here 'read' as confused, unable to back up arguments with non biased sources and when called out, in general, resort to anglo saxon insults because they cannot use the English language with any finesse. Whiners without substance whereas the winners seem like they hold all the argumentative cards.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Leavers on here 'read' as confused, unable to back up arguments with non biased sources and when called out, in general, resort to anglo saxon insults because they cannot use the English language with any finesse. Whiners without substance whereas the winners seem like they hold all the argumentative cards.

Apologies for not being quite able to follow that. Is this, now, where we are with Brexit? And we are about to do what? Leave the EC? Crikey.

 

[The Rivet]

Harry the comment is perfectly understandable.

 

[pastafarian]

I wonder which way the report's authors voted in the referendum. I think I can make a pretty good guess!

Indeed
One used to work for the European Commision,another said brexit was a cataclysmic political event, another is a member of scientists for EU and another one of them was accused of political bias in the formulation of a study and being an outspoken remain campaigner………perfect recipe for a balanced article.
I particularly like that their findings are based on models of hard and soft Brexit that are very different to other interpretations of hard and soft brexit(even amongst other remainers). Its as though people invent their own versions of hard and soft to suit their arguments and worldview.

 

[Baldseagull]

How's the gap between the rich and poor going in Greece, or between the Greeks and the richer EU nations? The poor Greeks penalised for ignoring EU rules with crushing austerity while the rich Germans/French get away scott free ....

http://www.spiegel.de/international...euro-zone-ignored-its-own-rules-a-790333.html

They all broke the rules, but Greece took the absolute piss. Austerity could disappear if they actually collected the tax they should. Greece's issues are of it's own making but the Euro enabled them to do it, and really they should not have been allowed to join it.

How will Britain exiting the EU help?

 

[GT49er]

Indeed
One used to work for the European Commision,another said brexit was a cataclysmic political event, another is a member of scientists for EU and another one of them was accused of political bias in the formulation of a study and being an outspoken remain campaigner………perfect recipe for a balanced article.
I particularly like that their findings are based on models of hard and soft Brexit that are very different to other interpretations of hard and soft brexit(even amongst other remainers). Its as though people invent their own versions of hard and soft to suit their arguments and worldview.

Thought as much! Thanks for providing the details,

 

[Baldseagull]

Just imagine the level of hysterical bedwetting by the usual suspects if our Government had failed to form a governing coalition three months after an election!

If you chuck a Billion quid at the problem, it seems these issues are easily resolved.