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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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daveinprague
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I expected the other idiot Ppf to come up with this sort of comprehensive, erudite response. Well done. You beat him to it.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Thought I was to be the bearer of fantastic news when I saw this on the BBC.Unfortunately,it is not the EU Parliament.
pastafarian
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I expected the standard of questions to be above primary school grade, sometimes we just have to live with disappointment.
daveinprague
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More drivel? Im impressed. Your'e exceeding yourself.
Baldseagull
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The first one contains a lie, the Headline, Cameron did not say it.
The second one contains no lie.
The third one says David Cameron confirmed that border controls would be necessary – either as a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic, or by way of checks at exit points between Northern Ireland and Great Britain. No realistic alternative has been put forward, if you have one, I am sure David Davis would love to hear it.
The fourth references various sources for a prediction of a fall in house prices, Osbornes estimate being "at least ten per cent". We can call this one unproven at the moment.
The Fifth references various sources, none of whom were remain campaigners predicting a big knock to UK share prices, this would seem to be well wide of the mark currently, but it is a report in a newspaper, not a press release from the Remain Campaign.
The Last, starts with this "The UK gives the EU a gross contribution of £350 million a week. This is not a lie, and it is an amount which could be spent on the NHS if the UK Government so wished. These are usually touted as lies, but this stems from 'Remain' campaigners being unable to tell the difference between the words 'gross' and 'net' as well as the difference between the words 'could' and 'will'.
It then goes on to take the same stance itself over interpretation of could and will, with several items, and the only lie it truly exposes is that Cameron said he would not resign if he lost the vote, which I think we all understood was only said in an attempt to avoid the referendum being a proxy for removing Cameron from office for some.
With regards to Gross and Net figures for the UK EU contribution, £350 million is way over the gross figure, £250 Million is the Gross figure, £165 Million Net. The net figure does not include the financial benefits of having the EMA and EBA in the UK either.
pastafarian
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Similarly The net figure does not include the financial burden of red tape on UK businesses or the financial burden of in work benefits to low paid migrants or the cost of services attributable to a growing migrant population, so i fail to see your point about the EMA or EBA.
Perhaps everyone should just agree, whatever the figure in whatever way you calculate it, its an astonishingly large amount.
This line in a full fact summary sums it up quite well.
https://fullfact.org/europe/foreign-secretary-and-uk-statistics-authority-350-million-explained/
"But both sides do seem to suggest more than they actually say"
It does also seem rather pointless this constant arguing over which side said what with regards to figures. The referendum has happened and these arguments pale into insignificance when the real issue is now about negotiating the best possible working relationship for the country with the EU as we exit.
Come back to this on monday after a hopefully successful weekend in Manchester.
So these free trade deals with the fast developing economies then....as predicted India say they will have one with us but it must include more immigration. I assume that is what people voted for? More immigrants from India. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...rants-wants-free-trade-deal-warns-senior/amp/
The government were quite bullish about all these free trade deals a year or so ago, now the reality of them not being so free is setting in they have gone very very quiet. And that much publicised (and creepy) arm-in-arm walk with Trump resulted in an eye watering tariff on UK jet planes; wonderful. Britain really needs to wake up to the reality they are not in the boss seat and it’s clear to everyone they are in need of new deals; desperation is not a brilliant starting point in a negotiation.
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Wasn't that to do with Canada but got misreported? Think it was bombardier who have now signed a deal with Airbus anyway to work together on a project.
portslade seagull
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Don't let the truth spoil there incessant sniping. Half truths and no truths rule on the remain side as long as it's putting Brexit down
It is a serious question though. So far we've gone from 'go whistle' to £40b.
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If anything it won't be Brexit that would bring this country down, it would be the constant negativity that is being fed too people.
Garry Nelson's teacher
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More negative, anti-Brexit, doom laden crap from that wind-up leftist rag The Telegraph (oops!).
daveinprague
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Feel free to provide some positive news stories. The constant negativity may have some basis if its being 'fed', so often, and so consistantly,.
- Jul 10, 2003
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I think that a lot of the economic predictions prior to the Brexit vote have proven to be wrong, certainly on timescales..
However, they were based on the assumption at the time, that we would leave by June 2018 (the 2 years that were needed to exit).
In the 15 months since the election, the current Government has now pushed the date that they want to remain in the single market back to April 2021 (nearly 5 years). Given that we are now further away from exiting than when we had the vote, I think this may have a slight effect on the timescales of the economic forecasts.
However, they were based on the assumption at the time, that we would leave by June 2018 (the 2 years that were needed to exit).
In the 15 months since the election, the current Government has now pushed the date that they want to remain in the single market back to April 2021 (nearly 5 years). Given that we are now further away from exiting than when we had the vote, I think this may have a slight effect on the timescales of the economic forecasts.
Baldseagull
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Bombardier in Belfast announced 370 redundancies in the last 2 months.
Airbus is proposing to acquire a 50.01% stake in the C-series program, so as to make it more of an American plane, they will not be paying anything for this acquisition. They will also set up assembly of planes for the US market, in the US if these plans go ahead, to try and avoid the dumping tariff, which is currently under review.All just proposals currently.
This may get resolved and if Airbus and Bombardier are successful in having the tariff removed or reduced to an acceptable level, good news for Bombardier Belfast.
The point is that it highlights that however good your relationship is with the US ( they have no better friends than Canada and the UK) they will not be doing us any favours in terms of trade.
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The fact the EU appears to be moving forward, finally.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,772
I think that a lot of the economic predictions prior to the Brexit vote have proven to be wrong, certainly on timescales..
However, they were based on the assumption at the time, that we would leave by June 2018 (the 2 years that were needed to exit).
In the 15 months since the election, the current Government has now pushed the date that they want to remain in the single market back to April 2021 (nearly 5 years). Given that we are now further away from exiting than when we had the vote, I think this may have a slight effect on the timescales of the economic forecasts.
The good news about this is that it means anyone with significant assets in the UK has longer to move them in an orderly fashion.
See it's not all bad news
Baldseagull
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Do you mean on joint defence initiatives? Known in the eurosceptic press as the EU Army.