[Politics] Brexit

[daveinprague]

Are there any particularly 'good news' Brexit stories around? I dont mean the fantasy that the Brextremists roll out daily.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Haha! Yes, that's right. There's nothing else going on in the world for them to write about.

They need to keep their readers coming back to the site. Tomorrow there will be another story made in to something really big, the Guardian and Indy is what people feed off at the moment. That's where are a large majority of the posted links come from. It's the same as the Daily Mail and Express the other way round.

 

[Hampster Gull]

So if we beat Manure 5 - 4 you will demand a rematch?

If a team wins playing an ineligible player then yes I expect most of us would demand a rematch, if not a bye. Let’s see what deal this shambles of a government negotiates and decide then.

 

[Ernest]

Are there any particularly 'good news' Brexit stories around? I dont mean the fantasy that the Brextremists roll out daily.

Straight bananas

 

[The Clamp]

They need to keep their readers coming back to the site. Tomorrow there will be another story made in to something really the big, the Guardian and Indy is what people feed off at the moment. That's where are a large majority of the posted links come from. It's the same as the Daily Mail and Express the other way round.

Hmm, to a point. But the Guardian don't outright bend the truth and scaremonger like The Mail.

 

[nicko31]

Are there any particularly 'good news' Brexit stories around? I dont mean the fantasy that the Brextremists roll out daily.

How about a nice story about one of our outposts in peril?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-gibraltar-how-well-is-it-going-a8072481.html

Gibraltar.....another little mess to sort out.

Now does Gibraltar need the EU more than the EU needs Gibraltar?

 

[Hampster Gull]

Are there any particularly 'good news' Brexit stories around? I dont mean the fantasy that the Brextremists roll out daily.

We won’t have a European city of culture

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

What was it that Remain said that you think was particularly persuasive?

I can't think of anything that was as repeatedly, and widely, published on a comparable scale to the '£350million for our NHS' lie (and that has been proved decisively untrue) but I am happy to be proved wrong.

the vote to leave is all you need to think about, stop waffling on about the past and look forward to leaving the EU, that is what the vote was for regardless of what ever slant you want to put on it, IT'S HAPPENED deal with it
regards
DR

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

The one thing (actually it's more than one thing but this is one of the more puzzling things) is that Brexiteers don't uncouple the political from the economic. I think I can understand (just about) the arguments for sovereignty (political) to remove us form the EU. A lot of folk have maintained these views for many years and I can grudgingly accept and even respect this, though I don't share their view. I can also see the 'refund' arguments and the migration arguments. But why do Brexiteers then fall over themselves in trying to believe that we would somehow be better off outside the EU? Because the political imperatives do not really drive the economic ones; they are to a large extent independent of each other.

Thus it would be quite logical for a Brexiteer to 'admit' (or just to say) that "fair enough we will probably be poorer outside the EU, but I personally think it's a price worth paying". But instead we get all this baloney that no serious economist other than Patrick Minford - who many would not accept as a serious economist anyway - spout about the golden future that awaits us trade-wise.
Or at best we get the 'all the experts are wrong' argument or the (slightly more credible) "well no-one knows what will happen" defence (so let's suck it and see and what happens, as it's only our kids' futures at stake).

I guess I can anticipate the response (so please feel free to prove me wrong!) but I thought it was worth a try: I appreciate we all tend to paint ourselves into a corner on these things (some more than others), but are all Brexiteers genuinely optimistic about our economic prospects outside the EU? Aren't you just a little bit concerned?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Are there any particularly 'good news' Brexit stories around? I dont mean the fantasy that the Brextremists roll out daily.

To be honest, EVERYONE could do with hearing a few non-spin, non-over-egged, reality-complient, good news Brexit stories.

 

[Two Professors]

So you are all for Britain standing proud on it's own two feet but haven't even got the passion about the UK to support one of it's most historically significant, culturally important, industrially profound cities like Liverpool. Nor do you have the intelligence to realise how unintelligent this makes you look.

And the phrase is simply "you can't polish a turd". So no you cannot "polish a turd as much as you like".

Can't decide if I should make you look a complete ****.No,I will be charitable and let you Google 'polish a turd'.Some good turd-polishing videos on there.Try checking before gobbing off,eh?
European City of Culture-think they need to look at their own rules.Perhaps they were hoping Turkey would join the EU!

 

[Two Professors]

The one thing (actually it's more than one thing but this is one of the more puzzling things) is that Brexiteers don't uncouple the political from the economic. I think I can understand (just about) the arguments for sovereignty (political) to remove us form the EU. A lot of folk have maintained these views for many years and I can grudgingly accept and even respect this, though I don't share their view. I can also see the 'refund' arguments and the migration arguments. But why do Brexiteers then fall over themselves in trying to believe that we would somehow be better off outside the EU? Because the political imperatives do not really drive the economic ones; they are to a large extent independent of each other.

Thus it would be quite logical for a Brexiteer to 'admit' (or just to say) that "fair enough we will probably be poorer outside the EU, but I personally think it's a price worth paying". But instead we get all this baloney that no serious economist other than Patrick Minford - who many would not accept as a serious economist anyway - spout about the golden future that awaits us trade-wise.
Or at best we get the 'all the experts are wrong' argument or the (slightly more credible) "well no-one knows what will happen" defence (so let's suck it and see and what happens, as it's only our kids' futures at stake).

I guess I can anticipate the response (so please feel free to prove me wrong!) but I thought it was worth a try: I appreciate we all tend to paint ourselves into a corner on these things (some more than others), but are all Brexiteers genuinely optimistic about our economic prospects outside the EU? Aren't you just a little bit concerned?

I'm absolutely certain we will thrive outside the EU as it sinks.Remainers keep on about the population of the single market,but a lot of them have no money or are unemployed.When the ECB stops their massive QE buying of useless paper,the EU will die.I would much rather we look to expand our trade with the growing economies.Just the countries we trade with under WTO rules have 5 times the population of the EU.

 

[The Clamp]

Can't decide if I should make you look a complete ****.No,I will be charitable and let you Google 'polish a turd'.Some good turd-polishing videos on there.Try checking before gobbing off,eh?
European City of Culture-think they need to look at their own rules.Perhaps they were hoping Turkey would join the EU!

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HT was right on the money. It really is just a constant stream of utter bollocks from you. It does not surprise me a jot that you go online to watch videos of people trying to polish turds.
I however, won't be. Thank you.

 

[Gwylan]

European City of Culture-think they need to look at their own rules.Perhaps they were hoping Turkey would join the EU!

Er ... Turkey is a candidate country, has been since 1999,

The rules state, as laid down in 2014, "[In XXXX a candidate country or
potential candidate or EFTA/EEA country will also be entitled to host the European Capital of
Culture action.]"

As the UK doesn't fit any of these criteria, I'm a bit baffled as to why this is a story. The cities concerned knew beforehand that they didn't qualify yet still went ahead and submitted bids,

 

[Two Professors]

Er ... Turkey is a candidate country, has been since 1999,

The rules state, as laid down in 2014, "[In XXXX a candidate country or
potential candidate or EFTA/EEA country will also be entitled to host the European Capital of
Culture action.]"

As the UK doesn't fit any of these criteria, I'm a bit baffled as to why this is a story. The cities concerned knew beforehand that they didn't qualify yet still went ahead and submitted bids,

Now you really do surprise me.Are you sure about EFTA membership?And Istanbul was 2010 (bit before 2014).

 

[Two Professors]

HT was right on the money. It really is just a constant stream of utter bollocks from you. It does not surprise me a jot that you go online to watch videos of people trying to polish turds.
I however, won't be. Thank you.

I'm afraid the stream is coming from you,as you are wrong yet again,but as usual won't admit it.Perhaps if you took your head out of HT's backside you might see the truth.

 

[Baldseagull]

Pants on fire .....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-could-trigger-world-war-7928607

http://webarchive.nationalarchives....eureferendum.gov.uk/what-happens-if-we-leave/

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...fear-brexit-conflict-good-friday-agreement-eu

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...house-prices-by-18-says-osborne-a7039981.html

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...-20-Brexit-wiping-450bn-share-valuations.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew-ellery/leave-lies-remainers-need_b_12191462.html

What lie do you think is contained in any of the first four links?
The fifth is a goodie, but which remain campaigner was it saying it?
The sixth is stretching a fair bit to make lies of what was said, I might post a bit more about that one.

 

[Hampster Gull]

I'm absolutely certain we will thrive outside the EU as it sinks.Remainers keep on about the population of the single market,but a lot of them have no money or are unemployed.When the ECB stops their massive QE buying of useless paper,the EU will die.

I will file this along with the other Brexit statements of certainty that the Netherlands would immediately follow us out in their general election, and then the French, and that Greece would cause the Euro to collapse and the famous £350m back per week for the NHS, amongst others

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Pants on fire .....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-could-trigger-world-war-7928607

http://webarchive.nationalarchives....eureferendum.gov.uk/what-happens-if-we-leave/

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...fear-brexit-conflict-good-friday-agreement-eu

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...house-prices-by-18-says-osborne-a7039981.html

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...-20-Brexit-wiping-450bn-share-valuations.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew-ellery/leave-lies-remainers-need_b_12191462.html

Sad and weak. Your list starts with a reference to World War Three that actually came from B Johnson and finishes with a polemic from an ex-activist with the Get Britain Out lobby group. And there's little in between.

 

[Gwylan]

Now you really do surprise me.Are you sure about EFTA membership?And Istanbul was 2010 (bit before 2014).

I'm not really up to date with all the rules of the EU, the latest decision on membership (which would have applied before the UK cities made their bids) was in 2014. But there were ECCs before this date, several of which have been outside the EU - Bergen and Reykjavik for example, and others from candidate countries, Prague and Krakow. I'd guess, therefore, that the rules allowing non-EU countries were laid down very early on.