[Politics] Brexit

[ManOfSussex]

What a absolute load of bolloxs.

Where do you think this report, written by 3 university Professors specialising in food and agricultural policy, went wrong?

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Where do you think this report, written by 3 university Professors specialising in food and agricultural policy, went wrong?

It's the facts... we need less (ideally zero) facts.

 

[nicko31]

Where do you think this report, written by 3 university Professors specialising in food and agricultural policy, went wrong?

You can't preach facts from experts, its out of fashion right now.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Despite Andrea Leadsom banishing pessimism 12 months ago some 'experts' have gone and written a report about a possible Brexit food situation that's 'unprecedented for an advanced economy outside of wartime' according to the authors. How dare they!

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-uk-food-supply-eu-report-sleepwalking-crisis-2017-7?r=US&IR=T
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-07/uos-unr071417.php
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...to-food-insecurity-after-brexit-academics-say

One of the authors is a University of Sussex Professor no less. Doesn't he know that David Davis has said that Brexit will probably be okay and with Michael Gove at DEFRA that's a done deal.

Some people......................

Worrying news, I will begin stockpiling tins and look for a plot of land to start an allotment. Can you confirm a Jeremy Corbyn (Red) Brexit will guarantee the nation's food supplies?

 

[ManOfSussex]

It's the facts... we need less (ideally zero) facts.

You can't preach facts from experts, its out of fashion right now.

Apologies. I did suspect from the off that as with any report written by 3 university professors specialising in a particular field it was always going to be wrong, as they always are, particularly as some could interrupt this one as being negative.

 

[The Clamp]

What an absolute load of bolloxs. Scaremongering on max in the press.

It took you a mere three minutes to read all three reports? You see, this is why people think some Brexiteers are reactionary and perhaps not very well educated, shooting off at the mouth before understanding the facts.
Commenting on reports you haven't even read. Jesus wept.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Worrying news, I will begin stockpiling tins and look for a plot of land to start an allotment. Can you confirm a Jeremy Corbyn (Red) Brexit will guarantee the nation's food supplies?

Don't worry JC. Your various comments against Jeremy Corbyn have been well noted comrade. The nations food supplies will be guaranteed by you and other dissenting voices doing 5 years hard fruit picking in Kent to assist the national cause on one of old McDonnell's new national co-operative farms.

No Eastern European farm girls to keep you company in the evening either and as for Stella Creasy, forget that too - you'll be rooming with neo-liberal undesirables such as Peter Kyle and Tim Farron.

 

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[The Merry Prankster]

Don't worry JC. Your various comments against Jeremy Corbyn have been well noted comrade. The nations food supplies will be guaranteed by you and other dissenting voices doing 5 years hard fruit picking in Kent to assist the national cause on one of old McDonnell's new national co-operative farms.

No Eastern European farm girls to keep you company in the evening either and as for Stella Creasy, forget that too - you'll be rooming with neo-liberal undesirables such as Peter Kyle and Tim Farron.

But Tim doesn't want to room with Peter.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Where do you think this report, written by 3 university Professors specialising in food and agricultural policy, went wrong?

It's the facts... we need less (ideally zero) facts.

You can't preach facts from experts, its out of fashion right now.

I think you guys are misrepresenting what the report says. It doesn't say there are definitely going to be problems, it says there will be problems IF government doesn't come up with a workable policy and address the issues in the report in the next two years.

Along with many other issues, the problems that arise will largely be a result of sh*t governance, not by the act Brexit itself.
There would be many benefits to this country and the environment if we could come up with a proper plan for farming and agriculture and stop importing so much food. This is something that should easily be within our capabilities.

Whether I trust this current shower to get it right is another matter entirely

 

[pastafarian]

Where do you think this report, written by 3 university Professors specialising in food and agricultural policy, went wrong?

They dont all specialise in food but that is by the by, one is a food specialist, one an environmentalist, one is just listed as scientist.
Their conclusion to solving the problem about sustainability of our food after Brexit is quite interesting. Shorten the distances we use to obtain our food to protect the environment, huge investment in home grown producers and local suppliers including paying home grown workers far above a living wage to encourage more into the industry.
Obviously resulting in higher prices, but they say the downside of this can be offset by a strong nutritional government policy, teaching more children to cook and encouraging far more private home gardening.
Interesting report anyway.....from the snippets i have read

It took you a mere three minutes to read all three reports? You see, this is why people think some Brexiteers are reactionary and perhaps not very well educated, shooting off at the mouth before understanding the facts.
Commenting on reports you haven't even read. Jesus wept.

Perhaps before shooting off at the mouth and being reactionary you might have taken the time to find out that it is one joint report by three authors and not three seperate reports

 

[Pavilionaire]

So £350m on the NHS was a lie. It was misleading to say, but the figure of what it is/was costing to be in the EU is true.

However, the real LIES were:
1. WWIII being more likely. Yeah, right.
2. An immediate £30bln budget. Still waiting sunshine.
3. Interest rates to rise - Oh dear Mark 'Incompetent' Carney, couldn't even get that right.
4. House price crash - hmm, as. Much as this would be a good thing for the younger generation, that still hasn't happened either.
5. Recession. Strewth, even that hasn't happened.

And, before all you Remainers spout the usual crap about BREXIT hasn't happened yet, this is what what we were told would happen as soon as we voted to leave. Not when then left.

So, with respect, if you want to talk about the Leave lies, at least address the complete clusterf*ck of BS esposed by the establishment. We still get it now with Mandleson, Clegg and Bliar going on to save their gravy train. They lost. You lost. It's happening and this country will succeed very well outside of that abortion of the EU.

Wait until the EURO collapses - see what happens when the ECB stops buying the debt of Greece, Portugal and Italy. Then you'll be glad we're outside and looking at new opportunities,.

The implication of your comment is that Remainers agreed with what was said in the Remain campaign, and agree with the 'Project Fear' message. In fact the complete opposite is true; Remainers are gutted that Cameron oversaw such a piss-poor Remain campaign that failed to convey any of the upside of EU membership.

Remainers did not expect WW3 the day after the Referendum, or an immediate economic crash, or a significant rise in interest rates, house price crash or recession. Anyone who knows how these things work knew it will be "death by a thousand cuts" i.e. an airline relocating here, a bank relocating there, an EU HQ relocating from London to the EU mainland, a motor vehicle supply chain cutting out the UK link etc.

Most Remainers also knew the UK government would be singularly unable to deliver Brexit because of their complete failure to understand how the EU works and how if affects everyday business in the UK. This has been demonstrated in various ways, not least the fact that by not giving EU immigrants already here a complete amnesty to stay here indefinitely they treated people like a bargaining chip and so have precipitated a labour market crisis as many return to the EU while job / student applications numbers are down.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

And, before all you Remainers spout the usual crap about BREXIT hasn't happened yet, this is what what we were told would happen as soon as we voted to leave. Not when then left.

I'm not sure we were told there would be a world war as soon as we left but if we were it sounds similar to IDS's claim that we would be more likely to be murdered by jihadists if we stayed.

I agree with you about it being wrong to say that there would be an emergency budget within days. Osborne didn't need to say that - it would have been sufficient to forecast that the economy would go pear shaped long before we left. (You may well disagree but I find the fact of people making up fright stories about the economy less depressing than people making up fright stories about immigrants and rapists and swarthy people marching towards us. Perhaps it's just me.)

 

[larus]

The implication of your comment is that Remainers agreed with what was said in the Remain campaign, and agree with the 'Project Fear' message. In fact the complete opposite is true; Remainers are gutted that Cameron oversaw such a piss-poor Remain campaign that failed to convey any of the upside of EU membership.

Remainers did not expect WW3 the day after the Referendum, or an immediate economic crash, or a significant rise in interest rates, house price crash or recession. Anyone who knows how these things work knew it will be "death by a thousand cuts" i.e. an airline relocating here, a bank relocating there, an EU HQ relocating from London to the EU mainland, a motor vehicle supply chain cutting out the UK link etc.

Most Remainers also knew the UK government would be singularly unable to deliver Brexit because of their complete failure to understand how the EU works and how if affects everyday business in the UK. This has been demonstrated in various ways, not least the fact that by not giving EU immigrants already here a complete amnesty to stay here indefinitely they treated people like a bargaining chip and so have precipitated a labour market crisis as many return to the EU while job / student applications numbers are down.

This is supposition regarding the eventual outcome after we leave. Some things will impact of course, but on the other side, there will be more opportunities to negotiate our own deals outside of the EU. This is a fact, and no-one knows what the overall impact will be. Anyone who says they do is peddling their own agenda/opinion..

The simple fact is the Remain side lied to a much greater extent and deployed so much fear about the economic outcome. You had the whole weight of the elite piling in to advise us to vote remain, yet that still wasn't enough. IMF, CBI, Obama, IFS, Treasury, etc. I wonder how many people were swayed to vote remain based on these scare stories. Again we'll never know, but this won't stop the remain side harping on about £350m and the NHS.

Anyway, as I mentioned before, lets' see how the EURO fares once the ECB stops buying the debt of Italy, Portugal and Greece. There's likely to be some tapering of their purchases later this year post the German elections. The worlds financial system is in a very precarious state - negative interest rates and we're late in the economic cycyle. What happens when the next downturn or crisis hits somewhere. Central banks have no room for manoeuvre when the next problems arise - out of bullets now.

 

[OzMike]

I am not convinced Tony Blair's election victory made any significant difference to your decision to move to the other side of the world. Feel free to provide more detail.

That's your prerogative.

 

[Pavilionaire]

This is supposition regarding the eventual outcome after we leave. Some things will impact of course, but on the other side, there will be more opportunities to negotiate our own deals outside of the EU. This is a fact, and no-one knows what the overall impact will be. Anyone who says they do is peddling their own agenda/opinion..

The simple fact is the Remain side lied to a much greater extent and deployed so much fear about the economic outcome. You had the whole weight of the elite piling in to advise us to vote remain, yet that still wasn't enough. IMF, CBI, Obama, IFS, Treasury, etc. I wonder how many people were swayed to vote remain based on these scare stories. Again we'll never know, but this won't stop the remain side harping on about £350m and the NHS.

Anyway, as I mentioned before, lets' see how the EURO fares once the ECB stops buying the debt of Italy, Portugal and Greece. There's likely to be some tapering of their purchases later this year post the German elections. The worlds financial system is in a very precarious state - negative interest rates and we're late in the economic cycyle. What happens when the next downturn or crisis hits somewhere. Central banks have no room for manoeuvre when the next problems arise - out of bullets now.

Let's deal with the fact that the UK will be free to negotiate their own trade deals outside of the EU - except that having left the biggest Single Market we've also just missed out on access to a free trade deal with the world's third largest economy Japan. So while our neighbours enjoy free trading with Japan for the next decade we can spend the next decade trying to get what we would have had had we remained in the EU. As Jim Bowen of Bullseye once said "Ooh, look what you could have won..."

And your second "fact" - "The simple fact is the Remain side lied to a much greater extent". That's not a fact, that's your personal judgement, and one that's highly dubious given Leave's lies involved posters with Syrian refugees and 80 million Turks marching on the UK, plus the infamous bus that overstated the true net cost of payments to the EU by £150million a week and the lie that all of the money saved would go to the NHS. Some Leavers like Daniel Hannan even claimed we could stay in the Single Market and still Leave.

My personal judgement is that Leave's lies are in a different league to Remains because they were put at the heart of the Leave campaign - visual images throughout the campaign as opposed to desperate words from Cameron and Osborne in the final week before the vote.

 

[The Clamp]

They dont all specialise in food but that is by the by, one is a food specialist, one an environmentalist, one is just listed as scientist.
Their conclusion to solving the problem about sustainability of our food after Brexit is quite interesting. Shorten the distances we use to obtain our food to protect the environment, huge investment in home grown producers and local suppliers including paying home grown workers far above a living wage to encourage more into the industry.
Obviously resulting in higher prices, but they say the downside of this can be offset by a strong nutritional government policy, teaching more children to cook and encouraging far more private home gardening.
Interesting report anyway.....from the snippets i have read



Perhaps before shooting off at the mouth and being reactionary you might have taken the time to find out that it is one joint report by three authors and not three seperate reports

3 news reports, dinlow.
Three mins to read a report is quite a feat.
You really are a contrary little bitch.

 

[nicko31]

Let's deal with the fact that the UK will be free to negotiate their own trade deals outside of the EU - except that having left the biggest Single Market we've also just missed out on access to a free trade deal with the world's third largest economy Japan. So while our neighbours enjoy free trading with Japan for the next decade we can spend the next decade trying to get what we would have had had we remained in the EU. As Jim Bowen of Bullseye once said "Ooh, look what you could have won..."

It does look like we won't be going home with the speed boat. What will that be 60% of TAM?

 

[Dick Head]

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

we are starting to see a pattern finally , and that is that the lives of the masses in the U.K are totally at the mercy of a bunch of privately educated , port swilling , pig fiddling , asset hiding , closet milionare ,fraudsters.......they all campaign for the good of the commoners but when they get in it's all aboard the gravy train to a life long ride of free this and free that ....it's a life of luxury at the expense of the tax payers.

that's been happening for decades, welcome to the real world Sydney
regards
DR