[Politics] Brexit

[portslade seagull]

You must understand that the poster regards listening to the will of the people on a particular subject as being democratic but asking them again, when more complete information is available, as being extremely undemocratic. Indeed, he sees anyone who suggests such a thing as being a mentally-retarded weasel.

The thing is the vote has come and gone and both Labour and the Conservatives have said it will not be revisited and both want out for different reasons. The result needs to be accepted and everyone moving forward for the best outcome.

 

[CheeseRolls]

Ok, well best of luck with putting those delusional lefties straight.

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[pastafarian]

Personally I think the absolute lunacy was to vote for something that will inevitably cause economic hardship on your country so that you can feel like you have sovereignty back and order a quarter of sweets.

To think people want us to fail is just bizarre. We don't want us to fail which is why we don't want to leave. It really is that simple.

You can continue to mock and deride it but 49% of leavers placed the issue of sovereignty as their most important reason for voting to leave followed by immigration 33%.
Some remainers like you couldnt grasp these concepts before the referendum and cant grasp it now either, so mock away with your references to quarts of sweets, you may well need some bonbons to take that bitter taste out of your mouth.

 

[pastafarian]

ITV ran a "One year on" poll a couple of weeks ago. Over 50k voted - 79% in favour of Remain. The "Will of the people" has changed, now they can see the extent of the Brexiteers' lies.

You are right - ignoring the will of the majority (who now want to stay) WILL end in tears.

Loving how you are your thumbers are putting so much relevance and importance onto an ongoing click poll that you also share on facebook and twitter where anyone on the planet. can click and vote. Thats some astounding methodology you are relying on.
The depths of your desperation have now reached comical levels.
Next week ......facebook likes decides outcome of general election

 

[daveinprague]

You can continue to mock and deride it but 49% of leavers placed the issue of sovereignty as their most important reason for voting to leave followed by immigration 33%.
Some remainers like you couldnt grasp these concepts before the referendum and cant grasp it now either, so mock away with your references to quarts of sweets, you may well need some bonbons to take that bitter taste out of your mouth.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...exit_from_and_partnership_with_the_EU_Web.pdf

2.1 The sovereignty of Parliament is a fundamental principle of the UK constitution. Whilst
Parliament has remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU, it has not always
felt like that. The extent of EU activity relevant to the UK can be demonstrated by the fact
that 1,056 EU-related documents were deposited for parliamentary scrutiny in 2016. These
include proposals for EU Directives, Regulations, Decisions and Recommendations, as well
as Commission delegated acts, and other documents such as Commission Communications,
Reports and Opinions submitted to the Council, Court of Auditors Reports and more.



It just 'felt like it' .. well done that 49%. Well grasped.

 

[pastafarian]

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...exit_from_and_partnership_with_the_EU_Web.pdf

2.1 The sovereignty of Parliament is a fundamental principle of the UK constitution. Whilst
Parliament has remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU, it has not always
felt like that. The extent of EU activity relevant to the UK can be demonstrated by the fact
that 1,056 EU-related documents were deposited for parliamentary scrutiny in 2016. These
include proposals for EU Directives, Regulations, Decisions and Recommendations, as well
as Commission delegated acts, and other documents such as Commission Communications,
Reports and Opinions submitted to the Council, Court of Auditors Reports and more.



It just 'felt like it' .. well done that 49%

1056 EU Directives, Regulations, Decisions and Recommendations,Commission delegated acts in 2016 alone.
That is revolting.

Thank god we are leaving and returning more sovereign making powers back to the UK.
The vote leave public were right to want this.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

ITV ran a "One year on" poll a couple of weeks ago. Over 50k voted - 79% in favour of Remain. The "Will of the people" has changed, now they can see the extent of the Brexiteers' lies.

You are right - ignoring the will of the majority (who now want to stay) WILL end in tears.

maybe some of those were the ones that never voted in the first place......... YOU SOUND REALLY DESPERATE
regards
DR

 

[JC Footy Genius]

To be fair to [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] he has consistently described such people as 'undemocratic extremist loons'.

Indeed. It appears the Impster has given up directly arguing his pov with me (don't blame him) and now presumes to read my mind while misrepresenting and inserting some unpleasant views.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Who is ignoring it?
I would quite like to check up on it and see where it is today, and more importantly, where it is when the deal is known.

Anyone who says they fully respect the referendum result but wants another one to reverse/block it?
You mean keep asking the question until you get the answer you want then never ask the people ever again.

 

[larus]

You need to be pretty stupid to believe or trust anything Trump says.

You must be pretty stupid to believe anything that drunk Juncker says .

You know him; the one who agreed all of those favourable tax deals for multi-national companies to pay super-low corporation tax rates in Luxembourg before he became one of the presidents of the EU.

They need the UK money and have as good as admitted it. I ignore all the bluster on both sides as grand-standing; no-one honestly believes that the EU really thinks that we are going to pay a 100bln Euro divorce bill (which is not in any EU treaty BTW).

 

[larus]

Who is ignoring it?
I would quite like to check up on it and see where it is today, and more importantly, where it is when the deal is known.

OK, and then what? If this goes the way of a Remain vote should we then have another vote in say 18 months time?

In-out, in-out, shake it all about.

Maybe we could have a referendum at every general election and see if the mood has changed every 5 years, or would the process stop if there was a remain vote?

 

[GT49er]

OK, and then what? If this goes the way of a Remain vote should we then have another vote in say 18 months time?

In-out, in-out, shake it all about.

Maybe we could have a referendum at every general election and see if the mood has changed every 5 years, or would the process stop if there was a remain vote?

If the Westminster establishment (fanatic Europhiles to the rotten core; there's no part of the EU's rectum they wouldn't lick clean to stay in) got another referendum which went their way, you can bet your last penny that the public wouldn't be consulted again in fifty years........or probably more.......maybe like, never!

 

[JC Footy Genius]

If the Westminster establishment (fanatic Europhiles to the rotten core; there's no part of the EU's rectum they wouldn't lick clean to stay in) got another referendum which went their way, you can bet your last penny that the public wouldn't be consulted again in fifty years........or probably more.......maybe like, never!

Correct and it's hilarous to see so many on here suddenly developing a love for democracy/consulting the public after they have spent the past year moaning about the first referendum being held and the result .. while deriding a majority of the public as thick /gullible.

 

[Jim in the West]

I came across this slightly amusing take on Brexit (voiceoftreason.blog).....

Investment Case

You have an initial investment of £50-60bn to make that will have an impact in £100s of Billions over decades. The transformation will completely distract your Executive Team and all your senior managers leaving you unable to do anything else except the project. Once initiated the project cost will be sunk and and the company irreversibly comitted to the course.

All of your consultants have advised you against initiating the project. Your competitors, sensing a misstep have started to hire your most trusted staff. You have a tenuous grip on your board and e-team and expect to lose some critical board votes that will secure the project.

You’re certain you don’t have the staff to manage the initial analysis let alone the deployment of the project.

A year ago you asked your staff if they’d support you in the project. A very small majority said they would, but your confidence is low in their understanding of the issues and risks involved.

Your Options

In this situation do you:

A) Ruthlessly identify and then evaluate all the options, creating a strong business case for the expenditure, a deep and structured plan to implement including any additional analysis to ensure you’re making the right decision.

B) Reject the case completely and pursue alternative options, it’s unlikely you can create a case in this situation and will likely irreparably damage the company.

C) Make it up as you go along from day to day with a completely unprepared team, a hostile market and half your workforce actively fighting you on strategy? Just for the wild ride you also decide to commit yourself to a hopelessly ambitious timetable in order to provide an incentive for the team to focus. And before you get the project underway you wildly over-claim the benefits.

Your proposal

Answer this case as if you were spending your own money and then choose one of the options. You should be able to articulate your reasoning in no more than a single paragraph.

 

[GT49er]

I came across this slightly amusing take on Brexit (voiceoftreason.blog).....

Investment Case

You have an initial investment of £50-60bn to make that will have an impact in £100s of Billions over decades. The transformation will completely distract your Executive Team and all your senior managers leaving you unable to do anything else except the project. Once initiated the project cost will be sunk and and the company irreversibly comitted to the course.

All of your consultants have advised you against initiating the project. Your competitors, sensing a misstep have started to hire your most trusted staff. You have a tenuous grip on your board and e-team and expect to lose some critical board votes that will secure the project.

You’re certain you don’t have the staff to manage the initial analysis let alone the deployment of the project.

A year ago you asked your staff if they’d support you in the project. A very small majority said they would, but your confidence is low in their understanding of the issues and risks involved.

Your Options

In this situation do you:

A) Ruthlessly identify and then evaluate all the options, creating a strong business case for the expenditure, a deep and structured plan to implement including any additional analysis to ensure you’re making the right decision.

B) Reject the case completely and pursue alternative options, it’s unlikely you can create a case in this situation and will likely irreparably damage the company.

C) Make it up as you go along from day to day with a completely unprepared team, a hostile market and half your workforce actively fighting you on strategy? Just for the wild ride you also decide to commit yourself to a hopelessly ambitious timetable in order to provide an incentive for the team to focus. And before you get the project underway you wildly over-claim the benefits.

Your proposal

Answer this case as if you were spending your own money and then choose one of the options. You should be able to articulate your reasoning in no more than a single paragraph.

Alternatively, you could just stick it all on a football website. Seems a good alternative..................................................................

 

[pastafarian]

OK, and then what? If this goes the way of a Remain vote should we then have another vote in say 18 months time?

In-out, in-out, shake it all about.

Maybe we could have a referendum at every general election and see if the mood has changed every 5 years, or would the process stop if there was a remain vote?

Its their neverendum process, keep voting until you get what we want.

Some remainers want us to vote again on the implications of any deal that will arise outside of The EU , apparently because we are more informed on these implications even before they have happened.
Want another vote? Fine.
Rather than guessing on the deal implications. Wait for 20 years then actually assess real data of how the deal has implemented on the UK actually being outside The EU then if you think its been worse outside start a campaign to rejoin.
Even better is the third referendum is in 41 years time makes it fair and equal across the ages.

 

[Baldseagull]

OK, and then what? If this goes the way of a Remain vote should we then have another vote in say 18 months time?

In-out, in-out, shake it all about.

Maybe we could have a referendum at every general election and see if the mood has changed every 5 years, or would the process stop if there was a remain vote?

If there was a narrow result, then yes, if there was a convincing result one way or the other, I would leave it until there was some change in circumstances that may alter opinion in a big way.

 

[Baldseagull]

Correct and it's hilarous to see so many on here suddenly developing a love for democracy/consulting the public after they have spent the past year moaning about the first referendum being held and the result .. while deriding a majority of the public as thick /gullible.

Not as funny as the fear of another referendum being displayed by those of you who insist the will of the people must be done.

 

[pastafarian]

I came across this slightly amusing take on Brexit (voiceoftreason.blog).....

Investment Case

You have an initial investment of £50-60bn to make that will have an impact in £100s of Billions over decades. The transformation will completely distract your Executive Team and all your senior managers leaving you unable to do anything else except the project. Once initiated the project cost will be sunk and and the company irreversibly comitted to the course.

couldnt voiceofnoimagination blog come up with a scenario that is reflective of real life then? Was this the first scenario they pulled out the hat?

 

[portslade seagull]

Not as funny as the fear of another referendum being displayed by those of you who insist the will of the people must be done.

Why should we have another referendum. We already have a result whether you like it or not. You cannot keep bleating to all and sundry in the hope of it being reversed as it's happening. Maybe like another poster said in 40yrs time they might hold another one. Mind you by then the Italians would have left as well as they are very unhappy with the mad drunk and the wicked witch of the Rhine