[Politics] Brexit

[GT49er]

As has been pointed out above, Cameron did.

Yep, and the result was that we're leaving, because the EU thought it could call our bluff.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Your reply to your colleague whom seems to tirelessly and tediously dominate this thread doesnt offer anything substantive, its just a nod to your mate.

Ultimately you wish to stay within an EU political project irrespective of nearly anything, I cannot recall one particular view from you on the EU that might be remotely compelling, you have undoubtedly struggled to come to terms with it.

In negotiation of course you go into them wanting the best for those you represent, its quite normal and doesnt disqualify that aim, you and your mates are just trying to reinvent a discussion that has already been made, we see opportunity you just dont and you find it almost impossible to even consider for one moment that the UK might succeed in nearly anything it does.

What? I just asked a simple and polite question about what you think a good deal will be. I'm just curious. So what is your preferred deal?

 

[Simster]

Your a little bit daft

Everything about this sentence just about sums you up.

 

[The Clamp]

Your a little bit daft, I have negotiated many times, sometimes successfully sometimes less so, so yes I always hope to get the best deal, there are multiple factors that might effect the outcome but yes negotiation is basically that.

Your analogy isn't a great one.

Right, well it is of course desirable to get the best deal. But this conversation doesn't work does it:

Boss: "So Big Gully, you're off to that negotiation today, great man get us a deal? What you going for "?
BG: "the best one sir"
Boss: "excellent BG, excellent. What are you gonna ask for, what do we hope for in return"?
BG: "the best deal Sir, yessiree Bob, the very best deal we can"
Boss: "I knew I could trust you BG, so what's the starting point"?
BG: "the one that gets us the best deal sir, just the very best deal. Oh yes."
Boss "can you be more specific there Big Guy"?
BG: " Well, I'm going for the best deal Sir, the very best I can get"


And on we go. Do you see where it's not working?

 

[BigGully]

Yep, rising inflation, weakening pound. Recipe for a successful future.

You have said this twice now, do you think low level rising inflation is demonstrably a sign of a failing economy ??

Is the rise from historically low, to higher yet still historically low level a sign that demand might be driving the rate, something usually seen as a positive ?

Or just an indication of lower sterling rates and higher oils prices from artificially low oil price which by default will soon drop out of the monthly data and steady any rises, or as I suspect you would prefer just higher import prices that will impact negatively on our overall economy and outstrip any benefits from improved exports?

We cannot know, but you are miles away from the point where you can credibly use current inflation rates or sterling's value as a stick to beat Brexit, we are nowhere near that point, our economy is not currently failing and no forecast says we will anytime soon.

 

[nicko31]

Not quite the same as 1.32 like May last year though?!

Farage is loving the weak pound, money from Trump, expenses from EU parliament etc...

 

[daveinprague]

You have said this twice now, do you think low level rising inflation is demonstrably a sign of a failing economy ??

Is the rise from historically low, to higher yet still historically low level a sign that demand might be driving the rate, something usually seen as a positive ?

Or just an indication of lower sterling rates and higher oils prices from artificially low oil price which by default will soon drop out of the monthly data and steady any rises, or as I suspect you would prefer just higher import prices that will impact negatively on our overall economy and outstrip any benefits from improved exports?

We cannot know, but you are miles away from the point where you can credibly use current inflation rates or sterling's value as a stick to beat Brexit, we are nowhere near that point, our economy is not currently failing and no forecast says we will anytime soon.

Still, we can 'hope'

 

[BigGully]

Right, well it is of course desirable to get the best deal. But this conversation doesn't work does it:

Boss: "So Big Gully, you're off to that negotiation today, great man get us a deal? What you going for "?
BG: "the best one sir"
Boss: "excellent BG, excellent. What are you gonna ask for, what do we hope for in return"?
BG: "the best deal Sir, yessiree Bob, the very best deal we can"
Boss: "I knew I could trust you BG, so what's the starting point"?
BG: "the one that gets us the best deal sir, just the very best deal. Oh yes."
Boss "can you be more specific there Big Guy"?
BG: " Well, I'm going for the best deal Sir, the very best I can get"


And on we go. Do you see where it's not working?

Clampy, there will be perhaps 100's of negotiations on many different things, there isnt a unique set of principles and demands from either side that might be effective on each and every one of those negotiations, thats why you have to generalise that we will try and get the best deal, of course its generic but for me wholly reasonable.

Both parties will have preferential negotiation positions on different aspects, some will no doubt be quickly agreed some not, I cannot see how anyone can demand anything different.

 

[BigGully]

Still, we can 'hope'

Again you have said that twice now too, I am not too sure of your point.

What do you hope for the EU in the coming year, you cannot possibly know for sure but if its stability your are after then I suspect you will need to brace yourself.

 

[daveinprague]

Again you have said that twice now too, I am not too sure of your point.

What do you hope for the EU in the coming year, you cannot possibly know for sure but if its stability your are after then I suspect you will need to brace yourself.

I use 'hope' as it seems to be in most Brexiteers posts. What do I expect from the EU in the coming year? More stability than I expect from leaving the EU.

 

[Triggaaar]

Yep, rising inflation, weakening pound. Recipe for a successful future.

I assume inflation is under 2%, so hardly the end of the world. Likewise a weaker pound, not exactly a disaster. How Greece wish they had a weaker currency.

 

[portslade seagull]

Disrespectful, or not bowing to terrorism? Are you a defeatist?

Totally Disrespectful. Keep scanning those papers for the remotest downer on Brexit. Here's a good one you wont like it thought, Qatar is to invest 6B into the UK over the next 3 yrs because of Brexit. The money will be invested into London and Birmingham

 

[The Clamp]

Clampy, there will be perhaps 100's of negotiations on many different things, there isnt a unique set of principles and demands from either side that might be effective on each and every one of those negotiations, thats why you have to generalise that we will try and get the best deal, of course its generic but for me wholly reasonable.

Both parties will have preferential negotiation positions on different aspects, some will no doubt be quickly agreed some not, I cannot see how anyone can demand anything different.

And what is the best deal?

 

[daveinprague]

Totally Disrespectful. Keep scanning those papers for the remotest downer on Brexit. Here's a good one you wont like it thought, Qatar is to invest 6B into the UK over the next 3 yrs because of Brexit. The money will be invested into London and Birmingham

I dont have to scan papers for the remotest downers.
6B? No its 5B over 3 to 5 years. Thank goodness! Were saved.

 

[portslade seagull]

What scare mongering is that then? Rising inflation, and a weakening pound? I wont be so scared if there is a plan? What have you heard?

Just back from a nice sunny game of golf. Considering that the incompetent in charge otherwise known as Cameron was so 100% sure like you and the rest of the bad losers that losing just wasn't in the equation he never put anything in place incase things went the other way. Once the result was known him and his cronies all promptly left leaving ANO to take over and deal with the aftermath. May then stepped into the void and basically things are evolving. Sadly for the braindead remoaners you should be putting your question about plans to Cameron but he bottled it so no flak could be aimed in his direction. If you need to blame some-one blame him instead of incessantly going over the same old old ground. Never mind it will soon be Wednesday then you will all have something else to groan and whinge about.

 

[portslade seagull]

And what is the best deal?

Ask Cameron, oh you can't he bottled it

 

[daveinprague]

Just back from a nice sunny game of golf. Considering that the incompetent in charge otherwise known as Cameron was so 100% sure like you and the rest of the bad losers that losing just wasn't in the equation he never put anything in place incase things went the other way. Once the result was known him and his cronies all promptly left leaving ANO to take over and deal with the aftermath. May then stepped into the void and basically things are evolving. Sadly for the braindead remoaners you should be putting your question about plans to Cameron but he bottled it so no flak could be aimed in his direction. If you need to blame some-one blame him instead of incessantly going over the same old old ground. Never mind it will soon be Wednesday then you will all have something else to groan and whinge about.

Basically a long winded non answer. Well played.

 

[portslade seagull]

What? I just asked a simple and polite question about what you think a good deal will be. I'm just curious. So what is your preferred deal?

Ask Merkel she seems to tell everyone what to do

 

[portslade seagull]

Basically a long winded non answer. Well played.

Who gave the vote Please answer. He is the one who should of had a Plan.

 

[daveinprague]

Ask Merkel she seems to tell everyone what to do

Wow, a shorter non answer. You have the full range!