[Politics] Brexit

[Javeaseagull]

I voted remain but have accepted that the majority voted to leave. I have to ask though, if it had gone the other way would the Brexiters have accepted the vote? Would UKIP have disbanded and said,”Fair enough, the people have voted we will go away now”?

We know that would not have happened so why is anyone surprised that as a Constitutional change has occurred with a slim majority that people protest.

Democracy means you can change your mind when you find out you were not told the truth. This Constitutional change affects all our descendants, meaning my children and grandchildren. That can’t be right.

 

[GT49er]

When details of the exit deal are revealed.

If the vote had been Remain, and then it became clear that those who voted Remain had done so due to a campaign entirely based on lies, I would support the staging of a second referendum.

The vote to remain in 1975 was generated by a shocking campaign of lies and deceits. 2016 was the second referendum. We just had to wait nearly forty years to get it!

 

[daveinprague]

Moving the goal posts then.

You did vote on a campaign based on lies.Lies like a predicted immediate post-vote recession, huge rise in unemployment, dramatic reduction in growth and consumer confidence .. all predicted by project fear and all proved to be total bo**ox.

We haven't left yet. Pound is low, inflation rising. Give it time. Proved? Dear lord! Who predicted post referendum crisis? I'm sure our massive industry base will save the country when we have left

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I voted remain but have accepted that the majority voted to leave. I have to ask though, if it had gone the other way would the Brexiters have accepted the vote? Would UKIP have disbanded and said,”Fair enough, the people have voted we will go away now”?

We know that would not have happened so why is anyone surprised that as a Constitutional change has occurred with a slim majority that people protest.

Democracy means you can change your mind when you find out you were not told the truth. This Constitutional change affects all our descendants, meaning my children and grandchildren. That can’t be right.

It doesn't matter if the result was the other way round, Leavers would still be called every name under the sun. Secondly there is absolutely no way Leave campaigners would have been able to take it as far as the complaining Remainers have by trying to stall the process, the establishment would have made sure of it.

 

[Javeaseagull]

It doesn't matter if the result was the other way round, Leavers would still be called every name under the sun. Secondly there is absolutely no way Leave campaigners would have been able to take it as far as the complaining Remainers have by trying to stall the process, the establishment would have made sure of it.

Absolute nonsense and I suspect you know it. Are you saying UKIP would have given up?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Absolute nonsense and I suspect you know it. Are you saying UKIP would have given up?

UKIP wouldn't have given up, but I'm saying the Pro EU media, Government would have made damn sure they got as little air time as possible.

 

[BadFish]

UKIP wouldn't have given up, but I'm saying the Pro EU media, Government would have made damn sure they got as little air time as possible.

So much like the anti EU media and government have done?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

So much like the anti EU media and government have done?

I see more scaremongering stories in the papers online than I do of a positive outlook to Brexit. I don't know what you expect the government to do, should they be Pro EU now?

 

[Blue3]

The problem is the half the populations views are not being taken into account

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I see more scaremongering stories in the papers online than I do of a positive outlook to Brexit. I don't know what you expect the government to do, should they be Pro EU now?

Because (so far) the negatives are out weiging the positives - it's not a bias - even the express are starting to show more negatives than positives.

Can't ignore higher inflation/weaker pound etc.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Because (so far) the negatives are out weiging the positives - it's not a bias - even the express are starting to show more negatives than positives.

Can't ignore higher inflation/weaker pound etc.

I'm afraid a lot of it is unnecessary scaremongering.

 

[The Clamp]

It is undemocratic to ignore/circumvent the will of the majority before it is enacted.

Who's the bedwetter now? People are protesting because they believe in something. Democracy in action. Get used to it.

 

[The Clamp]

One of my definitions of extremism is ignoring the democratically expressed will of the majority before it can be enacted ... you would be fine if a vote remain would be ignored?

Nobody is ignoring it. Jesus wept. You may not be racist but you sure are thick.

 

[sparkie]

Nonsense.

When you are driving towards a cliff edge it is likely that you may change your mind about the direction that you should be going, that perhaps you didn;t really know where you were going in the first place.

The 'will of the people' on June 23rd last year is not the will of the people in perpetuity.

We fight on.

Well done you, most would have given up.

No one should have anything to fear from a 2nd vote once a lot of unknowns become known.

Democracy will win a 2nd vote anyway, so there is no downside really.

 

[Notters]

Ah! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39305750

 

[studio150]

I'm afraid a lot of it is unnecessary scaremongering.

Usual leavers response bury head in sand and say everything is wonderful while ignoring what is actually happening

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

This might come in handy for the people voted for Brexit

https://www.ted.com/talks/sandrine_thuret_you_can_grow_new_brain_cells_here_s_how

"You can grow new brain cells. Here's how"

 

[GT49er]

This might come in handy for the people voted for Brexit

https://www.ted.com/talks/sandrine_thuret_you_can_grow_new_brain_cells_here_s_how

"You can grow new brain cells. Here's how"

Let no-one ever suspect that bitter and defeated remoaners go round sneering at those who voted to leave, eh?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Let no-one ever suspect that bitter and defeated remoaners go round sneering at those who voted to leave, eh?

Why would no one suspect that?

Of course we do.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

The vote to remain in 1975 was generated by a shocking campaign of lies and deceits. 2016 was the second referendum. We just had to wait nearly forty years to get it!

One of the great themes of the 1975 referendum was the concept of 'shared sovereignty'. The Daily Telegraph even said that it appeared to be taking over the debate to the exclusion of other topics. I agree that the scope of the EU (as now is) has expanded since then but the notion that there was some sort of con-trick is, I'm afraid, the result of selective memory.